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Firefox goes 0.9 final
time to seriously consider Mozilla
amznVibe




msg:1589318
 8:07 am on Jun 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Happened just as I was watching!
Firefox 0.9 final:
[ftp.mozilla.org...]

also see upgrade info/tips [forums.mozillazine.org]

 

tafkar




msg:1589348
 5:48 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just downloaded 0.9 yesterday and took a look at the UA string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040614 Firefox/0.8

Nothing big, since the Mozilla rev number is correct, but seems like they missed out on this one ;-)

D_Blackwell




msg:1589349
 6:07 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

intuitive tab navigation

Yes. There are couple of sites I use where I switch to Opera for just that reason.

I'm sure there are all sorts of ways to customize this thing, but I didn't want to get into hacking.

Not sure that's quite fairest wording. Isn't very specific customizing a big asset?

bill




msg:1589350
 6:23 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not sure that's quite fairest wording. Isn't very specific customizing a big asset?
Yes. I probably should have said I used mostly the defaults and played only with the settings in the options.
amznVibe




msg:1589351
 8:26 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don't forget all the wonderful free extensions for Firebird [texturizer.net]

My favorite two are Things they left out (more options) [texturizer.net] which has a feature to make .gifs animate only once and then stop (I had a tool for this in IE, its great) and this is an absolute must:the Web Developer extension [chrispederick.com] which is like having a hundred IE favlets/bookmarklets in one little designer package.

Leosghost




msg:1589352
 9:31 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I tried it for the first time after seeing this thread ..just these question ...Why does it want server rights...? Why should it want to phone home to momma..? ....For me that makes it insecure ...I surf I want just one port open ..

Receptional Andy




msg:1589353
 9:56 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Why does it want server rights...?

I assume you are using ZoneAlarm? Firefox doesn't require 'server rights' despite what ZA might claim. The only rule I made for it (using a different firewall) was to allow outgoing tcp connections on port 80.

>>Why should it want to phone home to momma..

There's an auto-updater built into this build I believe. You can disable it or block it if you don't need it.

MatthewHSE




msg:1589354
 11:37 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

intuitive tab navigation
mouse gestures
spell check in form fields
all the passwords I've already set up in Opera ;)
customizable toolbar placement
customizable toolbars (ala Opera)
simple sidebar switching
page source editor choice
simple switching on/off of images/java/javascript/plug-ins/css...etc

Intuitive tab navigation? Not sure what you mean, but try getting the MiniT extension. Also try setting your General preferences to always show the tab bar.

For mouse gestures, get the All-In-One Gestures extension. I've found that even more customizable and useful than Opera's mouse gestures.

Spell Check in form fields, sorry, don't think there's a way to do that in FireFox.

Your Opera passwords might be able to be imported into FireFox. Not sure, but I know some Opera settings can be imported.

FireFox has very customizable toolbar placement, particularly if you get the Toolbar Enhancements extension. This one even allows you to move the buttons to either side of the tab bar or the status bar.

Opera-style customizable scrollbars are kind of possible. You can drag and drop the buttons wherever you want them to be, but you first have to right-click and choose "Customize" to get the customize window.

Simple sidebar switching is possible via the Sidebar Orientation extension. A restart is required after making adjustments, but I think things like that are going to be polished a bit before 1.0.

Page source editor choice is possible with the Mozex extension.

Simple switching on/off of images, javascript, etc. is possible with another extension, I believe it has Preferences in the title but I don't remember the full name just now.

amznVibe




msg:1589355
 11:48 am on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Gotta love that "minimum font size" override in the options.
Wow I can actually read micro-print now!

Can someone explain what the "Display Resolution" setting does?

Leosghost




msg:1589356
 12:09 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

yep it is ZA ..but firefox asks to connect as browser ..fine and it works ..it also asks to connect as server ..if I don't let it it still works as a browser so there must be something going on when it is "fully enabled" ...there is something about quality of experience? ...looks like a tracker with phone home ...

Receptional Andy




msg:1589357
 1:40 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>looks like a tracker with phone home ...

I'm not sure about that - I monitor connection requests pretty carefully, and firefox hasn't done anything untoward that I've seen, although I did disable autoupdates so maybe that accounts for the extra requests?

Other than that ZA can sometimes be rather overzealous with its reporting of 'attacks' which might have something to do with it.

Incidentally, I've noticed Firefox using ID strings like {bc45630f7-c70a-468f-9b5e-13a3a9e97564} when you click links to mozilla sites within the browser menus (e.g. tools>>extensions>>get new extensions ).

isitreal




msg:1589358
 4:18 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Leosghost, I'm pretty sure that's part of the development package, you can just deny the application for server rights, it's not important, if you don't want firefox phoning home don't let it, it won't mind.

Re lack of intuitive tab browsing, that's available in
'tab browser extensions', just don't use the feature to cache the pages for reload on crash, that's the only option that I've found that slows down page loads and performance.

Since the word 'intuitive' is extremely subjective, you can create a setup that is intuitive for you specifically, there are tons of options in tab browser extenstions, although there is some debate about that extension due to stability questions, but I can't reproduce them, with the exception of the above problem with caching.

Or for a less feature packed set of tab options, use the one mathewhse recommended, I tried that but it didn't have enough features for my taste.

Chndru




msg:1589359
 8:21 pm on Jun 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

ahh, the Adblock extension is quite powerful.
Though, it doesn't disable flash ads (anyways i have no flash player).. rest all nuked :-) (even adsense with a single command *googlesyndication*)

amznVibe




msg:1589360
 7:47 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

though it doesn't disable flash ads

Try the FlashBlock [texturizer.net] extension which lets the Flash engine run, but not display any flash graphics until you click on the replacement graphic, if you want to see something in particular.

ktwilight




msg:1589361
 10:54 am on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

got it running perfectly since yesterday. :)

gotta love the web developer tool...nothing beats that...! :D

i can't wait till 1.0 is released. will be much better and more customisable i hope. especially putting save session as a default optional feature, that would be nice.

chadmg




msg:1589362
 6:50 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am very impressed with Firefox. Especially with the Web Developer Extension. However, I'm an Opera user (paid) so I probably won't switch over permanently. I'm glad to see all of the competition though. Leaps and bounds above IE.

Unfortunately, all of these improvements will probably be stolen by MS when longhorn comes out.

TheDoctor




msg:1589363
 7:30 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

all of these improvements will probably be stolen by MS when longhorn comes out

Let's hope so ;) Life would be much improved by MS supplying their customers with a browser this good.

D_Blackwell




msg:1589364
 9:41 pm on Jun 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

all of these improvements will probably be stolen by MS when longhorn comes out.

Not to worry. They'll find a way to botch it.

Purple Martin




msg:1589365
 6:14 am on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

The import wizard seemed like a good idea until it crashed my computer.

Then I went to install the web developer extension - silly me, thinking it would work on NT. :(

Captaffy




msg:1589366
 5:25 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why does it want server rights...?

[mail-archive.com...]

That is your answer.

isitreal




msg:1589367
 7:39 pm on Jun 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Then I went to install the web developer extension - silly me, thinking it would work on NT.

The developer, Chris Pederick, will answer your email if you send him a problem report, but testing on NT is pretty hard to do, there aren't a lot of those installations readily avialable, most I assume are sitting in offices somewhere, almost nobody uses that os so it's hard to debug and test on it I suspect, too bad though.

4serendipity




msg:1589368
 10:59 am on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

spell check in form fields

There is a form spell checker available for Firefox (and the Mozilla suite). It hasn't been actively developed for a few months now, but, with a little prodding, you can get it to work.

<Sorry, no personal URLs. See TOS [webmasterworld.com]>

[edited by: tedster at 11:05 am (utc) on June 19, 2004]

D_Blackwell




msg:1589369
 12:40 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

0.8 rarely crashed. 0.9 has gone done several times for me already. Seems to usually be when I'm working faster than it can keep up.

amznVibe




msg:1589370
 5:35 pm on Jun 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe this is the spellchecker link [forums.mozillazine.org].
Hopefully someone will report getting it to work under 0.9? Would be a lovely additional feature...

4serendipity




msg:1589371
 2:21 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was able to get the spell checker extension working in Firefox 0.9 by doing the following:

* First, uninstall Firebird
* Grab the stuff you want from my old profile (bookmarks, etc -- which is still in a Application Data folder labeled Phoenix if you are upgrading from 0.8), and then delete the profile
* Download Firefox 0.9 zipfile not the installer. I've heard that some people have had problems getting this extension working with the installer version
* Unzip and place the Firefox files from where you plan on running Firefox from. Your install should have the composer.xpt file in the components directory.
* Start Firefox
* Install spellcheck.xpi from: [ftp.mozilla.org...]
* Shut down and restart Firefox
* Install spellcheckerfe0_4_0.xpi from: [cgi29.plala.or.jp...]
* Shut down and restart Firefox
* Download your dictionary of choice from: [downloads.mozdev.org...]
* Shut down, restart Firefox, and go spell check something

amznVibe




msg:1589372
 5:21 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks the for the spellchecker tips. I wish it didn't need the uninstall step, I always seem to lose something when I have to uninstall it :(

On another note, for those that can never have enough toolbar buttons, check out these extra toolbar buttons you can add with this extension [forums.mozillazine.org] and this one that lets you put the icons next to the menu items [aaronspuler.pngresource.com].

4serendipity




msg:1589373
 6:39 am on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks the for the spellchecker tips. I wish it didn't need the uninstall step, I always seem to lose something when I have to uninstall it :(


You might be able to get the spell checker to work without uninstalling. You could try using the installer, but you will need to grab a copy of a file called composer.xpt and place it in the "components" directory of your program installation. The composer.xpt file can be found in either the spell checker extension's site or in a firefox zip file. Again, I've heard that people have had extension problems with the installer version. Thus, you'd be better of trying to use the zip version. Just unzip 0.9 and run it before uninstalling 0.8. If this fails, bite the bullet and wipe the old version ;).

Is there something in particular that you seem to loose? Most of the information that you'd want to keep (bookmarks, etc) is located in your profile (for 0.8 it would be at C:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Phoenix for NT/2000/XP or C:\windows\Application Data\Phoenix for win 9x/ME). 0.9 now stores profiles in the Mozilla/firefox directory under Application data. 0.9 will import your old profile to the new location on install, but I wasn't able to get the spell checker working without deleting my old profile prior to installation.

Personally, the only thing I save from old installs is my bookmarks file, since old themes and extensions sometimes break in new version of Firefox (hopefully this will change after 1.0). There is also a program called Mozbackup [backup.jasnapaka.com] that can be used to save your profile information.

Mad_Cow




msg:1589374
 4:05 pm on Jun 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does this version only work in Windows XP? Does anyone have upgrade instructions for Windows 98?

(Please don't hurt me for having Windows 98, it is a work computer and apparently, 'they' are in the process of building my machine, I would have prefered to do it myself.

Reflection




msg:1589375
 6:40 pm on Jun 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know how you can get the bookmark toolbar button to behave like Mozilla, meaning it brings up a drop down menu of your bookmarks rather than a sidebar? This is one of the reasons why Mozilla is still my default.

MatthewHSE




msg:1589376
 6:57 pm on Jun 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think you can do that, but there is the Bookmarks toolbar menu. Also you can download and install the "Ook" extension, which adds Bookmarks to your right-click menu.

Leosghost




msg:1589377
 9:22 am on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I went to the installer page for the webdev bar and tried direct install from there ...I get 50% showing in the stat bar then it appears to finish ..but it doesn't install...in extensions I still get only the one that came with ( the veiw source )...
Running 98II ...anyone know how to do the install manually as the instructons for "if you are having problems "just send you to another page where you should do the same auto install ...I got the .xpi file ..if it's just a case of loading into a folder ..but which folder ...( this is my first time with firefox so I don't know my way around it yet )..already I'd like too get it running properly as I'd prefer it as "default"...

amznVibe




msg:1589378
 9:56 am on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

MozBackup was nice, thanks for the tip.

One of the last but not least things that would make me feel completely comfortable in Firefox would be a way to ghost/hide my less used bookmarks automagically like IE can do with favorites. I know that GO is supposed to function somewhat like that but its not as intelligent. At this point I have hundreds if not thousands of bookmarks and such a feature sure would help. Any thoughts?

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