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Microsofts Slate Magazine, says to Use FireFox
Brett_Tabke




msg:1588862
 1:18 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dozens upon hundreds of articles and blog entries around the web on the topic. Here is one:

[wi-fitechnology.com...]

Microsoft's own "Slate" online magazine is now recommending that people abandon Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mozilla Firefox, a competing free Web browser. Never before in the history of Microsoft have I seen anything quite like this. In Slate's "Webhead" column for June 30, 2004, author Paul Boutin describes Firefox glowingly and tells readers how to install it for secure Web access.

Old search pro's, should note the author of that Slate article is non other than Paul Boutin:

[slate.msn.com...]

 

Anolonda




msg:1588863
 2:40 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been using Firefox for one week and I have to say I am impressed (except for the security patch they released this week which confused the *&^% out of me while trying to install). I miss my page rank bar and watching my Alexa ranking crawl higher and higher.

I wouldn't say it's a Firefox is a better browser, but certainly more efficient, for right now. I aggree with pageoneresults, the second Firefox becomes the alternative, it will become the target.

Leosghost




msg:1588864
 2:43 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I thought we did this thread last week ..gotta put more water with it ...maybe it's too late ;)

HyperGeek




msg:1588865
 3:03 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

So, bets are on:

How many months will it be until FireFox incorporates the PR bar, if at all?

The browser is fantastic, and after noting this, the first "complaint" off most people's lips is re: the inability to incorporate Google's toolbar.

encyclo




msg:1588866
 3:08 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

the first "complaint" off most people's lips is re: the inability to incorporate Google's toolbar.

The first complaint here, yes, but not in the general population. The Firefox Googlebar extension (without the Page Rank indicator) is perfect for all except for a few who really need to measure PR.

BlobFisk




msg:1588867
 3:35 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I found the following point very pertinent:


The real problem is that IE is too good, and it took over 90% of the browser business.... If Mozilla Firefox were on 90% of the world's PCs, the Internet and its users would be just as much at risk.

While I'm not sure I agree with the "too good" assertion, IE is an obvious target as it is used by 9 out of 10 users.Duntermann makes an excellent point here, if Opera or Mozilla were at this level of saturation then they would be the number one brunt of hacks, exploits and bugs too...

webdevsf




msg:1588868
 3:42 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brett, if you are shorting MSFT, you should disclose it. ;)

kaled




msg:1588869
 4:01 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Isn't Firefox source code available to download?

If the security holes are there, they'll surely be found if FF becomes popular. However, my guess is that FF is fundamentally and intrinsically vastly more secure than any incarnation of IE is ever likely to be (in the foreseable future anyway). The argument that IE is a victim of its own success is almost certainly rubbish.

Here's a thought. Perhaps MS is paving the way for an announcment along the lines of they are adopting FF/Mozilla technology themselves - they may be trying to work out some way to spin it so that it proves MS are taking security seriously. Anything is possible where MS are concerned.

Kaled.

HyperGeek




msg:1588870
 4:07 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

The first complaint here, yes, but not in the general population.

I don't know of a single non-tech person (unless they are friends or family of a tech person) using FireFox.

I would assume the browser seems flawless to the normal user.

Something of interest though, guys...

The Googlebar is now available:
Download It Here! [update.mozilla.org]...

...and, so is PageRank: Click here for download page [pagerankstatus.mozdev.org]!

I especially love this PR bar since it loads in the bottom status bar of the browser and doesn't require the Googlebar.

createErrorMsg




msg:1588871
 4:21 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

IE is an obvious target as it is used by 9 out of 10 users.Duntermann makes an excellent point here, if Opera or Mozilla were at this level of saturation then they would be the number one brunt of hacks, exploits and bugs too

This sounds reasonable and is probably true in reference to security issues, but it certainly isn't the case as far as standard's compliance and proprietary markup goes. IE is the buggiest browser out there in this regard because MS opted not to follow w3c recs.

The fact that security issues are pushing it out the door (please! please!) is a blessing and certainly a boon to us.

Imagine a world where FIREFOX, perhaps the most compliant browser on the planet, holds 90%+ of the market! Where you can assume that most of your users are on a browser that actually FOLLOWS the rules, as opposed to grinding, chopping, and mulching them up as a matter of course!

I mean, what would we do with ourselves? There will be wandering packs of web designers in the streets, not unemployed but FINISHED WITH THEIR WORK, free of the need to spend an extra seventeen hours hacking to make IE cooperate.

stevenmusumeche




msg:1588872
 4:33 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think we need to post the link to the Firefox PageRank extension on the front page. This is something that many people here are interested in.

thaedge




msg:1588873
 4:54 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Been using FF for awhile and I love it.

Do agree that its only a matter of time till there are more warnings about FF, Opera and other security issues with the non MS browsers.

HyperGeek




msg:1588874
 5:23 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think we need to post the link to the Firefox PageRank extension on the front page. This is something that many people here are interested in.

It's the reason why I've just made FireFox my default browser.

This is the first time I've officially changed my default browser since I switched from Netscape Navigator.

A "BIG UP" to Mozilla, IMHO.

digitalv




msg:1588875
 5:25 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brett, if you are shorting MSFT, you should disclose it. ;)

Brett hates Microsoft, everyone knows that :)

PCInk




msg:1588876
 5:33 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Never used Firefox before - so I have just downloaded it.

I like it. A lot. In fact - I can't see any difference between Firefox and Netscape 7! All the menus in the same place, it even looks the same (except the graphic design on the button bars).

The article shows that MS are admitting that IE is seriously flawed - although until another browser is dominant, we may never really know the full extent of holes in other browsers.

Muskie




msg:1588877
 5:57 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

How many months will it be until FireFox incorporates the PR bar, if at all?

I have the Google Toolbar installed on my version of FireFox running on my Mac. This is doubly signifigant because previously there was no way to get the Toolbar on the Mac. I'm no genius I must have read about this either here or on Arstechnica

digitalv




msg:1588878
 7:32 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Forget the stupid PR bar ... the more time you spend working on that green bar the LOWER your site will be in the search results.

createErrorMsg




msg:1588879
 7:58 pm on Jul 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

The REALLY useful 'bar' on Firefox is the WebDeveloper one. That's one useful extension! Outline elements, running visual changes to CSS alterations, turn off styles in a click to see how your site looks sans stylesheets, check for accessibility issues, validation, quirks/standard check, low in carbs...it's great!

mann




msg:1588880
 7:44 am on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello HyperGeek,

Thanks for posting links for googel toolbar & PR.

Can you explain How can I make Auto Fill active with Firefox. So I don't need to fill my name & email adress each & every time manualy.

Please explain where to put my name & mail address to get filling work automated as I click on "Form Prefill" at Mozilla Firefox Explorer Bar.

Any help from any one also welcome,

Have a nice time.

jbinbpt




msg:1588881
 8:45 am on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I 100% agree with createErrorMsg's post on the Web Developer toolbar. Lots of neat things there.
Example... On ANY page you are browsing, you can open the CSS and play with it and see the changes in real time. Well worth the price of admission.

tedster




msg:1588882
 8:49 am on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

if Opera or Mozilla were at this level of saturation then they would be the number one brunt of hacks, exploits and bugs too

Yes, it's true that the most used applications will be the biggest targets.

But because Opera and Mozilla are not integrated so tightly into the OS, even if they were in wide use there would most likely be fewer succesful exploits - and the ones that did succeed would also be less devastating.

Microsoft's decision years ago to integrate IE into the OS seems to have been made more for marketing purposes than from a position of technical wisdom.

olwen




msg:1588883
 9:14 am on Jul 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but I discovered a pagerank tool for Firefox at [pagerankstatus.mozdev.org...] Now I'm super happy!

[edit] Just noticed I didn't read the thread thoroughly[/edit]

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