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Finally Decided to Download & Try Firefox
Is it just me who has problems?
phantombookman

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:08 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've never been a fan of updating, changing etc with regard to computers but with this latest security issue and all the talk here about FF decided to give it a go.

First thing, downloaded the patch to display Google PR only to find on installing it was not compatible!?

I use nested tables for all my sites, border colour to match background, and when viewed with FF all the borders are visible in default grey

Is it just me who thinks IE works better, and faster?
Regards
Rod (disappointed)

 

topr8

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:17 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

touche tabke!

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:21 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Brett, I assume you're comparing FireFox with some of Opera's features? If so you'll find that FireFox extensions will do all the things you mentioned (actually I'm not sure about zooming images with text; I think there's an extension for that but I'm not sure). The difference is that Opera does all this out of the box, while FireFox requires the additional extensions. I prefer the slimmed down aspects of FireFox and the ability to add only what features I choose; obviously others prefer the built-in features of Opera.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:23 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was thinking all that should be able be done, but I was kinda surprised alot of that wasn't in there to start with.

give me a few pointers. (flash animation, gif annimation, and CSS killers being the most important.)

> I prefer the slimmed down aspects of FireFox

I believe Opera is 1 meg smaller than FireFox without java.

Birdman

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:28 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there a way to turn off Flash with one key?

Did the mouse gestures hack ever get finished?

Is there any way to turn the shift-click into a open in new tab? and shift-ctrl-click in an back tab?

How does one zoom images with the text?

Certainly! Use opera instead :) (joking. I know you already do Brett)

Seriously though, why should MS be the ones to make the rules? As has been stated, they are the ones to blame for ignoring the HTML(and JS) standards, not Mozilla.

Man, I need to type faster!

encyclo

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:30 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there a way to turn off Flash (ads) with one key? Java?

Flash ads: Adblock extension
Java: Web developer extension

Neither are "one click" solutions.

Did the mouse gestures hack ever get finished?

Another extension. Last time I tried, it was a bit broken in Linux, but I haven't tried installing it yet in 1.0.

Is there any way to turn the shift-click into a open in new tab? and shift-ctrl-click in an back tab?

Possibly, but I guess it'll be by messing about with about:config.

How does one zoom images with the text?

Use Opera ;)

How do you turn off annoying gif animation - I just don't see it?

Web developer extension again.

Firefox is not perfect, and has a different feature-set and priorities than Opera. I still prefer it, because I find it faster than Opera and I have a very strong preference for using open-source software (although that has little to do with the browser itself). But Opera's good too, and both are top-level browsers for experienced surfers. But there's no doubt, Firefox still sucks [webmasterworld.com]. :)

I type even slower than Birdman ;)

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:46 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Use opera instead

I'm trying to kick the habit. I'm not fond of what OperaSoftware has done to Opera since 6.0 and would like to find a new browser.
The latest beta is a total step in the wrong direction from Opera and hence...why I was trying FF in the first place. I don't know if I can live without some of the features though.

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 269 posted 3:48 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Encyclo got most of the points. The big thing is that FireFox, while it may provide the features you want, may also use a somewhat different (but equal) method. For instance, it may use a different key sequence for tab switching. Still as easy as Opera, but different. There are a few other differences like that, but one is normally about as easy as the other.

> I prefer the slimmed down aspects of FireFox

I believe Opera is 1 meg smaller than FireFox without java.

Correct, but I was speaking of the interface. I know I'm at odds with Opera users on this, but the Opera interface is terribly "clunky" to me what with all the GUI options, long menus and such. They've improved in later versions by getting rid of the default hotbars, toolbars, search boxes, and what-not that reduced my 1200x1000 viewport to about 640x480, but the menus are still hugely long and the options are loaded down with all kinds of things I can do without. Opera is a slimmer file size (though I think they sacrificed stability for that, but that's another issue) but FireFox has a slimmer interface without sacrificing features (although, to be fair, they did sacrifice easy accessibility to some features).

Hester

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Msg#: 269 posted 4:12 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm trying to kick the habit. I'm not fond of what OperaSoftware has done to Opera since 6.0 and would like to find a new browser.
The latest beta is a total step in the wrong direction from Opera and hence...why I was trying FF in the first place. I don't know if I can live without some of the features though.

Can you be specific? What have Opera done wrong?

The thing about Opera is you can customize the interface. Toolbars, icons, menus etc can be moved around and set up in a million different ways. Or you can go further and edit the text files that affect the program itself to further customize it.

Hanu

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Msg#: 269 posted 5:14 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there any way to turn the shift-click into a open in new tab? and shift-ctrl-click in an back tab?

Possibly, but I guess it'll be by messing about with about:config.

I doubt it. It's hardwired in browser.js . Brett needs to write his own extension for that one.

phantombookman

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Msg#: 269 posted 6:49 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just dropped in using Firefox - takes some getting used to - watching all these forum columns and rows jump about as FF goes about the complicated business of sizing!
Still; looks OK when the page settles down.

Presumably webmaster world is not compliant with FF?
I really do not understand the hype around this thing

Hester

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Msg#: 269 posted 9:36 am on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't get that effect in Opera... (You can also adjust how fast the browser renders the page in the Preferences. I seem to remember "Redraw instantly" causes things like tables resizing and flashes of background colour so I always use "Redraw after 1 second".)

It's only natural for the browser to resize tables anyway, otherwise you'd have to wait for the entire page to load before it could work out how wide and tall to make each cell depending on the exact content. (As a wide cell at the very bottom could cause all the other cells above it to stretch out.)

I believe Firefox has a setting you can adjust to alter the paint speed. Something in about:config perhaps.

CritterNYC

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 269 posted 6:10 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hmm.. now what browser could Brett be comparing Firefox to? Heh. I'll hit em all as best I can...

Is there a way to turn off Flash (ads) with one key?

Couple options here... You can use the FlashBlock extension, so all flash will show up as a button you click to show it.
[flashblock.mozdev.org...]

You can also use AdBlock to setup filters to filter out all kinds of ads, including Flash.
[adblock.mozdev.org...]

Java?

The web developer extension can do this in a couple clicks, along with TONS of other handy things that are useful to... uh... web developers :-)
[webdeveloper.mozdev.org...]

Can you de'css a page with one key? Graphics?

Again the web developer extension. It can also disable cookies, javascript, java, colors, styles, animations, referrers in one click. And convert form GETS to POSTS and back, display form details, view all CSS files, edit CSS in a live sidebar, outline all kinds of images and elements and ALL KINDS of other things. It's really invaluable. And you can use it as a toolbar, or when right-clicking on a webpage.

Did the mouse gestures hack ever get finished?

Have you tried it since September? Pretty cool, if you're into mouse gestures. Several colleagues love it. I haven't played with it much.
[optimoz.mozdev.org...]

Is there any way to turn the shift-click into a open in new tab? and shift-ctrl-click in an back tab?

Well, middle-click does it by default, which I personally prefer. Tab Browser extensions has so many options it's insance. Not sure if it includes the requested, but worth checking out.
[piro.sakura.ne.jp...]

How does one zoom images with the text?

Standard zoom of text is CTRL&+ or CTRL&-. Images can be zoomed on individually using the Image Zoom extension. I don't think it would be that difficult for the extension author to hook it into standard page resizing. Why not ask?
[yellowgorilla.net...]

How do you turn off annoying gif animation - I just don't see it?

Well, there is the web developer extension as mentioned above, giving 2-click access to turning it on or off. You can also permanently set it to animate never or only once in about:config. Just type about:config in your address bar in Firefox. Scroll down to image.animation_mode and double-click it. The options you can enter are normal, once and none (quite self-explanatory).

Regards,
John

MatthewHSE

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 269 posted 6:47 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I believe Firefox has a setting you can adjust to alter the paint speed. Something in about:config perhaps.

You'll have to create a new about:config integer preference called nglayout.initialpaint.delay and play around a bit. I like mine set to 0, but some people prefer 1000 or so. The default is 250.

Have you tried it since September? Pretty cool, if you're into mouse gestures. Several colleagues love it. I haven't played with it much.
[optimoz.mozdev.org...]

Personally I prefer the "All In One Gestures" extension:

https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=12

From what I understand it's not as full-featured as the Optimoz one, but it supplies the functionality I need and is easier to use due to the lack of diagonal gesture support.

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