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Internet Explorer 7 Beta This Summer (XP SP2 Only)
Microsoft reverses course due to pressue from Firefox and Longhorn delays
CritterNYC




msg:1589514
 7:06 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

According to this CNET article [news.com.com], Microsoft will be launching a beta version of Internet Explorer 7 this summer. The new release will only work with Windows XP SP2 and will apparently add new antispyware features. Some analysts (and I) doubt it will include any significant fixes for IE's abysmal standards support of HTML, XHTML, CSS, PNG, etc. I'd wager we *may* see the addition of tabbed browsing, though.

Best quote in the article is from Bill Gates: "Browsing is definitely a point of vulnerability."

Yes, it is, Bill. And those of us that are concerned about it have already switched to Firefox, Opera or another operating system.

 

faltered




msg:1589515
 7:29 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Did they ever fix the HUGE errors in SP2? I still don't have it on my system for fear it'll crash the whole thing.

amznVibe




msg:1589516
 7:30 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I give about 30 days before it is hacked to work with win2k (at least I HOPE so - I still have no need for XP).

Considering that the original trick to run IE 5.0 and 5.5 at the same time on a PC with IE 6.0,
(without VMware) was originated at WebmasterWorld, perhaps it will also first happen here ;)

By the way, about the tabbed browsing, why don't they just BUY one of the IE shells that are around that already do that rather well from what I have seen.

Let's hope Microsoft's idea of anti-spyware doesn't mean asking "ARE YOU SURE" when someone clicks a YES button on an activex alert just to get it out of the way.

HughMungus




msg:1589517
 9:27 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'd think they want a new browser with built-in security features not to compete with the other browsers but to compete with toolbars (which include competitors' search boxes on them). Very significant if you consider Microsoft's moves towards search advertising.

iThink




msg:1589518
 9:39 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Big question is, how much and in what way MS will try to integrate MSN search in the browser? Are we going to see a search box right on the top of every screen and all the time? If yes, then google has a big battle in front of it.

tedster




msg:1589519
 10:30 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

search box right on the top of every screen

Isn't that what the IE address bar is already?

dom86




msg:1589520
 11:57 pm on Feb 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Isn't that what the IE address bar is already?

Yep tried it never knew that THANKS!

I think you can change the search engine you use in IE by downloading Tweak UI from the Microsoft PowerToys Website [microsoft.com].

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Firefox does a Google like thing. Type your search term in the address bar and it does a I'm Feeling Lucky search.

Are we going to see a search box right on the top of every screen and all the time? If yes, then Google has a big battle in front of it.

Yes I think Microsoft will make it clearer that you can search MSN from the address bar. GOOGLE whip it up with your browser WE ALL KNOW YOUR BUILDING 1!

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Any 1 tried Google Image search for IE 7.
This is what I found =:

Image 1 [article.pchome.net]
Image 2 [article.pchome.net]
Image 3 [siliconglen.com]
IE 7 in XP SP2 (maybe Longhorn) [itinfo.pcicp.com]
IE 7 in Longhorn [winsupersite.com]

hughie




msg:1589521
 12:41 pm on Feb 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Article on the BBC about this, nice plug for firefox there! be interesting to see how long it takes before I.E's market share drops another 5%

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

Hughie

DrDoc




msg:1589522
 6:33 pm on Feb 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

IE 7 in Longhorn [webmasterworld.com]

Yuck! Longhorn is so bulky and ugly :(

Microsoft Article [microsoft.com]

dom86




msg:1589523
 11:19 pm on Feb 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yuck! Longhorn is so bulky and ugly

So is WIN XP unless you use the Classic style.

According to things I have read the Classic style will be left out of WinFS, which is something Iím not looking forward to looking at the screen shots of Longhorn. I mean what the hell is that thing on the right. A big bar and an analogue clock (ANALOGUE WHAT?)

esllou




msg:1589524
 1:37 am on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

yeah they'll have a cuckoo come out of your CD draw every hour on the hour.

sweet....

microduma




msg:1589525
 4:02 am on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder how quickly users of IE6 are actually going to upgrade? Seven is just another number. If you ask me, the name of this "new secure browzer" which had enjoyed so much publicity is going to stick.

Hester




msg:1589526
 1:08 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Who gives a fox about IE anymore?

Personally I like the XP and Longhorn look. Anything but the drab grey concrete of 98. A shame XP only has 3 measly themes though.

But what's with the huge BACK button in IE7? Where is the FORWARD button?

MatthewHSE




msg:1589527
 1:17 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm doing everything I can to get our office switched over to Linux by the time Longhorn comes out. I refuse to "upgrade" from W2K to Windows XP, mostly because XP seems to be just a dumbed-down version of 2K, and I prefer having the advanced options available. I can't imagine what Longhorn will be like, what with that heavy 3-D desktop and the incredibly annoying-looking sidebar hovering over everything.

But I hope IE7 gets hacked to W2K soon, like amznVibe suggested. I don't like the idea of not being able to test my site on it - at least a few nice standards-compliant features are sure to require extra hacks once IE7 becomes mainstream.

<conspiracy theory> Could IE7 be Microsoft's way of getting rid of the IE7 javascript? Make Dean Edwards change the name of the script, give it some competition in the SERPS, and Microsoft could be much more free from this nagging pest who keeps insisting - such impertinence! - that their browser could be improved! </conspiracy theory>

Imaster




msg:1589528
 1:29 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Isn't that what the IE address bar is already?

It is, but a joe surfer doesn't know that. In most cases they misspell the domain name and land up at msn search. MS should probably rename it as something like "Website Address or Search Keyword" or somethhing better.

If he knew it, there's a chance that he will directly search there and eliminate one step (going to www.searchengine.com and then inputting keywords to search)

Hester




msg:1589529
 1:45 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm doing everything I can to get our office switched over to Linux by the time Longhorn comes out.

I've been thinking of moving to Mac.

I can't imagine what Longhorn will be like, what with that heavy 3-D desktop and the incredibly annoying-looking sidebar hovering over everything.

I'm sure you'll be able to turn the sidebar off. Also, the 3D effects in Longhorn work on 2 levels. You can have the normal 2D Windows, or if you have a 128Mb DirectX 9 graphics card, you can switch on the 3D. This gives you scalable windows - even the calculator can be enlarged and retain its layout. I see this as a major boost for web accessibility - entire pages can be smoothly enlarged, as with Opera's zoom function. You will also probably get fancy page turns (like a book). An early Longhorn demo showed it was possible to rotate an entire window in real-time, even if it contained video! But they said that feature would be removed.

So I see Longhorn as being no different than XP or 98 in terms of desktop use. The big worry is the new Digital Rights system, which only allows certified programs (and documents?) to work. So if you upload a free program to the web, it may not run! I'm still in the dark over how this is going to work in practice, but it's another idea that will lead to frustrated users.

I read recently how someone was forced to reactivate Office on their PC, after reinstalling it. This is in XP, remember. Well after a certain number of activations, the software locked up completely! They had to call Microsoft directly to reactivate it - it was no longer possible via the net. But of course this wasn't practical due to opening hours and so on, rendering the software useless. So how bad is Longhorn going to be? How many loops will they make us jump through just to get the machine even running?

That new Mac Mini sure looks tempting...

dom86




msg:1589530
 2:30 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

"new secure browzer" which had enjoyed so much publicity is going to stick

Yep I have a funny feeling this will be the case I really hope it wont be rubbish. It just seems that there not taking the time to get IE 7 right.

So if you upload a free program to the web, it may not run!
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but it's another idea that will lead to frustrated users.

I'm angry this is already frustrating me!

the 3D effects in Longhorn

Sounds good

But what's with the huge BACK button in IE7? Where is the FORWARD button?

lol yes where is the forward button?

They will proberly put the forward button in the smaller bump on the right hand side of the back button.

dom86




msg:1589531
 2:46 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

That new Mac Mini sure looks tempting...

Yep sure does. Looked tempting to me when I first saw Steve Jobs showing it to a crowd of people on the BBC News Digital Video Broadcast webpage.

I want 1.

Thatís my task to get a Mac Mini by mid March this year.

I love the OS seems so solid.

Must be like a dream for designing and developing web pages. Better be or thereís no point me getting 1.

Wonder when a new Internet Explorer for MAC will come, if ever. Iíve heard some bad stuff on IE for MAC, caching problems.

Hester




msg:1589532
 2:55 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

AFAIK IE/Mac is dead. Unless they port IE7 to Mac. Your best bet for a browser is Safari, Firefox or Opera. IE/Mac is like IE/Win - riddled with bugs.

Trax




msg:1589533
 3:37 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

lets see if MS is able to do something with its capital...
they are losing marketshare every single day...

grelmar




msg:1589534
 9:59 pm on Feb 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

This actually makes me quite happy.

It makes me feel glad that I've installed FF on my remaining WinBoxes.

And even happier that I started migrating to Linux last year.

Box migration level - 1/3 switched over to Linux in 2004
2005 planned - 2/3 to linux
2006 planned - all to linux except 1 - for the wife. (unless Adobe ports all their software to Linux, in which case that machine goes Linux too.)

timswish




msg:1589535
 5:06 pm on Feb 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm hoping anxiously that Mr. Gates will use some of his money and make a good secure program. Hire the best people bill. Make Internet Explorer the best browser around, lets see tabbed browser, swallor your pride.
timswish

grelmar




msg:1589536
 12:36 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

needs work or not, the fact is that it can *crash* Firefox... at least it stops FF from working for minutes.

Ummm, completely failed to lock up FF for me, even if it didn't render all those massively pooorly formatted frames properly.

The page just looked like junk, so I closed it. Anyone that reliant on frames, I don't wanna see what they're up too anyway.

For that matter, I can't think of a .ru site I'd feel safe surfing into with IE - not to paint an entire top level with the same brush, but that region is a little notorious for drive by BHOs and other scumware.

When they start making that stuff for FF, I'll get Opera, or something else.

privateservices




msg:1589537
 1:48 am on Feb 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

i dont think im ever going to use ie again opera is for me.. tabed browsing! even firefox is not as good!

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