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Opera 7.5 now available
photon

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Msg#: 54 posted 2:06 pm on May 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

7.5 final is now out of beta.

 

Hester

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Msg#: 54 posted 9:33 am on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I prefer to support - even if only with bug reports and testing - a free software project too. It's called Opera. Users have enjoyed testing six preview versions and one beta before the final release of 7.50. Opera too have a bug-reporting system, though sadly it is not available publicly.

A few more tips: Use S and W to move between headers on a page!

Use SHIFT + F2 and start typing the keyword for a bookmark. As soon as Opera recognises one that's unique, it'll take you straight to the page - no need to type any more.

For instance, let's say you have three bookmarks given keywords "andy", "anna" and "aneka". Type in "an" and nothing will happen. But type the next letter and the relevant site from the list will jump into view. So typing "and" will go to the "andy" bookmark, "ann" will go to the "anna" one, while "ane" will go to "aneka". (Assuming you've given these keywords to the bookmarks in the first place of course!)

Try it - it's fast.

richlowe

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Msg#: 54 posted 1:06 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think you'll find that is far from true. Speak to anyone who has used it for a while. They are full of praise. It has a great many features, some of which leave the competition standing.

Actually it does suck.

Outlook has two features that I use and need. Stationery which is HTML format and multiple signatures, which can also be HTML format. I haven't found any email client other than outlook which supports this. WHat I would love is the ability to have opera mail look at a directory and treat any HTML files in it as stationery.

Besides that, I found Opera's email to be difficult to use, non-intuative and barren of features. That was actually the primary block to using Opera's email - I don't have the time to diddle with it and it was not straightforward.

To me, it appears to be just another plain, boring email client.

Richard LOwe

Hester

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Msg#: 54 posted 1:44 pm on May 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Actually it does suck.

Try saying that to a long-term user and see their horrified reaction.

Outlook has two features that I use and need. Stationery which is HTML format and multiple signatures, which can also be HTML format.

I agree about multiple signatures - I have requested this on the Opera support forum. HTML stationery will probably come about when they implement HTML for composing new emails.

Besides that, I found Opera's email to be difficult to use, non-intuative and barren of features.

I would agree with the first point, maybe the second, but not the third. Does Outlook have an anti-spam feature that learns as you go on? Can it block malicious code in emails? These are all things worth considering. I made a move to Opera for email because I was getting too much spam in my Inbox with Outlook Express.

The main problem Opera's system has is the perceived lack of folders. To the new user, they want it just like any other email program - but it is not. It's a learning curve because it's more powerful. So instead of folders you have filters. All your mail is in one place (making it damn fast to sort and search, and easy to archive). You can still set up 'folders' but they are really 'views'. So all the spam is in one view (filtered automatically as it arrives), mail to individuals gets filtered into other views, and so on.

To me, it appears to be just another plain, boring email client.

Aren't they all? Unless HTML stationery is the must-have feature, I'd say most major email programs have the same basic functions, because that's all you need. What's good about Opera's is the potential to go further. For example, the way RSS feeds are processed just like emails. No doubt they will add support for Atom feeds later. Will Outlook be updated? Well Microsoft have stopped upgrading any free versions of Outlook. You'll have to buy Windows Longhorn to get any new features. Meanwhile - just watch Opera fly.

4eyes

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Msg#: 54 posted 2:35 am on May 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

To me, it appears to be just another plain, boring email client.

To me, it is anything but that.

Over the last few years I have used Outlook, The Bat, Eudora, different versions of Mozilla e-mail, and a raft of Linux mail clients in search of the e-mail prog that fitted my needs best.

Opera 7.5 beats the others on all the points that I need. Although it has a bit of a learning curve if you are accustomed to one of the others, its speed and flexibility are far better in the long run.

We all have our own preferences and needs, but for those with huge amounts of e-mail to search through, Opera has a real edge.

tedster

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Msg#: 54 posted 8:08 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK - I'm about a week into the new Opera 7.5 and wow, I am impressed. They've fixed a bunch of irritating bugs and so on, but most of all, I really like the new page rendering. It's much less "jerky" than 7.23 was, and extreeeeemely fast.

And one of the bug fixes handled a rendering issue on one of my main client sites, so that's made my life a lot easier as well. This bug was an odd one. The site is the kind of layout that triggers the IE peek-a-boo bug. After I got that handled, opera released version 7.23 and the divs were "sometimes" rendered as overlapping instead of floated. The funky thing was that a reload (or sometimes several reloads) would fix the band rendering.

A problem on one version of a minority (albeit great) browser and it's fixed. Thanks Opera.

Also, with the recent publicity around the potential for a telnet exploit [webmasterworld.com] on previous versions, it's nice to have this baby all plugged in.

ElPresidente

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Msg#: 54 posted 6:40 am on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

What a great read. I've been a long time Opera fan but this thread has really opened my eyes up to the way people use the browser and I'm looking forward to getting back to my home PC to start whipping this bad boy in to a more personalised shape. :D

I do have one question though, I realised that this isn't an Opera support forum but considering the recent conversation has been focused on Opera Mail I feel I may as well slip this in while the topic is hot.

I've had difficulty getting into Opera's Mail client but having a centralised program for usenet, web and mail (sorry Opera, thanks for the chat function but I wont be weened of mIRC so easily) so I do want to get into it and I'm prepared to face the rigours of its steep difficulty curve.

But I digress. I can't seem to find an option to display the status of my message downloads. I like to know how far away a big email is from being sent or downloaded from the server. I'm on dialup at home so it helps with the anticipation.

Is there an option so you can get a status bar on message upload/downloads

Hester

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Msg#: 54 posted 8:42 am on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you have the side panels open, with the Mail panel showing, there's an arrow in the bottom corner. Click on it to show the email accounts. Then when you check for mail, you get a progress bar.

Below this the bottom line should say the number of emails coming in. Any large ones uploaded often give a percentage showing the amount transferred.

TheDoctor

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Msg#: 54 posted 11:57 am on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

This thread convinced me to upgrade to 7.5 (I was using 7.11) and it's great! Thanks to everyone for recommending it.

But it's still fallen over (once) after using print preview, and I miss having a "print preview" button on the toolbar (or is there an option to fit one that I've missed?).

One peculiar difference. I had size on version 7.11 cranked up to 120%, but I have to set 7.25 to 150% to get the same readability. Any suggestions as to why?

And I stil don't like the fact that you can't create Internet Shortcuts with Opera, although, unlike Mozilla, it will read them. I like, for example, to keep a shortcut to the relevant site along with downloaded software. More importantly, I do a lot of research, and the results of this may include references to web pages. I like to keep these together with other eelevant documents, often on a zip drive. Bookmarks are just not appropriate here.

But I've got adept at creating Internet Shortcuts with Notepad, so this isn't the hassle it used to be.

photon

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Msg#: 54 posted 12:56 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I miss having a "print preview" button on the toolbar

Are you aware that pressing "p" toggles print preview?

Hester

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Msg#: 54 posted 1:24 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can drag the printer icon onto the toolbar. I believe this offers a print preview.

Regarding links to sites, how about using Notes? I found if you copy some text from a webpage, you can double-click on the note to return to the page!

TheDoctor

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Msg#: 54 posted 2:35 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Are you aware that pressing "p" toggles print preview?

Thanks for this. I was aware, and it's just not the same. But I suppose I'll have to get used to it. ;)

how about using Notes?

Now I wasn't aware of this, so thanks for pointing it out. But I'm not sure it's what I want. It doesn't seem to me that you can store notes where you want. I think I'll have to have a play in order to decide if they're going to be useful to me. It may, of course, be that they're not what I'm looking for in this context, but they'll be useful anyway.

Once again, thanks to both of you for the info.

photon

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Msg#: 54 posted 3:34 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

On the subject of Internet shortcuts....

You can create a shortcut by dragging the URL from the address bar to the desktop (or wherever you want to save it). But I don't believe that there is a menu item to do this (like IE's "Send to Desktop" option).

Is that what you're talking about?

TheDoctor

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Msg#: 54 posted 4:26 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

photon, that's precisely what I was talking about. I've read, in the dim and distant past, posts in the Opera support forum itself (iee on the Opera site, not a Wemaster World forum) complaining about the lack of a "save internet shortcut" but nobody, as far as I remember, ever pointed out the drag and drop option. Maybe it's new?

Thanks. It'll save a lot of editing.

photon

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Msg#: 54 posted 6:22 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Excellent.

Now if I could just figure out how to duplicate IE's "web archive" (.mht) feature....

Hester

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Msg#: 54 posted 9:01 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

You mean as in 'File -> Save with images as...'?

MatthewHSE

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Msg#: 54 posted 2:30 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow, 7.5 is much better than 7.23. Nice, clean interface, fast, and the custom panels are pretty cool. I also like the ability to make the ad window that long narrow bar instead of that tall block. After playing around with it for awhile, I concluded that, if I were coming from IE, I'd make Opera my default browser in a heartbeat.

As a long-time FireFox user, I'm going to stick with that because so far I've found it to have equal speed (or maybe just a trifle greater), and more customizing opportunities. But, I'm also going to be giving Opera 7.5 a chance to see what else I can discover about it.

The thing that really puts Opera ahead of the crowd for home users, in my opinion, is the e-mail client. It integrates so nicely, very convenient! I prefer Outlook for my e-mail purposes, but if I didn't operate a business, I believe the Opera client would be my choice.

photon

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Msg#: 54 posted 9:32 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

You mean as in 'File -> Save with images as...'?

No, unfortunately. Using that I end up with multiple files: one for the text portion, then a file for each image on the page, etc. For example, trying that with this page I end up with twelve different files.

The IE .mht file stores everything in a single file.

DrDoc

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Msg#: 54 posted 9:48 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

The IE .mht file stores everything in a single file

It also rewrites the page horribly... so the layout gets messed up.

photon

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Msg#: 54 posted 12:57 pm on Jun 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've not experienced that. Of course, most of the pages I save that way are informational in nature, and don't have complicated layouts.

bill

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Msg#: 54 posted 9:46 am on Jun 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

OK, this is too cool...

This guy has an Ad Blocker CSS that you can run which effectively hides most standard ads. It makes a lot of sites a lot easier on the eyes ;) He also has several additional CSS files you can add to your Author Mode list.

[members.chello.nl...]

BlobFisk

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Msg#: 54 posted 11:55 am on Jun 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Opera 7.51 is now available! Encyclo started a thread on it here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

bumpaw

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Msg#: 54 posted 2:43 am on Jun 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

This guy has an Ad Blocker CSS that you can run which effectively hides most standard ads.

I also discovered a way to do this that also blocks the Opera banner ad. I'll not post it though cause these guys deserve some revenue.

I also got the spell checker going. This baby could be my default real soon.(7.51)

Hester

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Msg#: 54 posted 8:29 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

That guy's page of Opera stylesheets is very cool. I wouldn't use his ad blocker though - it appears to block a vast array of images based on their width, along with other objects which might not be ads at all!

In another stylesheet he alters page elements based on their id or class names, to improve certain sites. This of course would cause problems if other sites have used the same id or class names in their code!

A shame all sites don't add an id to the body tag - that way you can style them individually, overriding the page styles as you wish.

bill

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Msg#: 54 posted 9:45 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree that the AdBlocker stylesheet isn't perfect...but it makes some sites a lot more pleasant ;) I just like seeing what he did with all those styles.

TheDoctor

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Msg#: 54 posted 10:06 am on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anyone else on dail-up finding that 7.5 tries to dail out on startup? There must be an option somewhere that has been ticked, but I can't find it.

bumpaw

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Msg#: 54 posted 4:50 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anybody know how to import contacts from Outlook for M2?

TheDoctor

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Msg#: 54 posted 4:58 pm on Jun 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to report that, contrary to an earlier posting by me, that there is a "print preview" button. I just hadn't found it. In fact, if you explore the "buttons and fields" options in "customize toolbar" there is a whole load of stuff for individualising your toolbars that I missed first time around.

There sems to be no reason on earth why anyone's toolbar should look like anyone else's. Is this a good thing? Or too many options? (I like it, but others may not).

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