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Opera 8 Released
troels nybo nielsen




msg:1586637
 4:09 pm on Apr 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have not seen others posting this here, so

Buying a browser [internetnews.com] by Erin Joyce.

Courtesy Dan Yurman [my.opera.com]

 

ajparty




msg:1586667
 10:49 am on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone know any way to detect this browser using script? Here's my current Opera 'sniffer':


var w = window; var d = document; var browserType;
if (w.opera) {
if (w.print && d.childNodes) {
browserType = "Opera7";
} else {
if (w.print) {
browserType = "Opera6";
} else {
browserType = "Opera5orLess";
}
}

sugarrae




msg:1586668
 1:03 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>Wouldn't run Java games off a couple of popular services, just said "loading..." forever

They have definitely improved in that area. It never worked with one of the biggest provider of Internet games and did what you described above. Just tried the site in 8 and it works.

I'll try your idea Gorilla. If it works, I owe you a beer. ;)

Brett_Tabke




msg:1586669
 2:53 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

> sniff

js 'fibs' depending on which mode (ie, ns, or opera) that the browser is set in.

> java

Is java by Sun itself (the real unfettered deal). If it won't work with that, then you aren't talking about Java.

> loading

I've not run into a site yet that wouldn't load fine with Opera. The best part - turn off the ads by disabling flash ;-) You won't believe what you are NOT missing. (press F12, uncheck enable plugins)

No, the best part of opera is mouse gestures.
Well, on second thought, the best part is still shift-control-click or shift-click.
Seriously, I think the best part is shift-click on form buttons (never retype that bad password again).
Let me rethink this - the best part is the embedded rss feed aggregator.
Hmmm, maybe it is...

[Search Engine 3]
Name=&Yahoo
URL=http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%s
Query=
Key=y
Is post=0
Has endseparator=0
Encoding=utf-8
Search Type=0
Verbtext=17063
Position=-1
Nameid=0

[Search Engine 4]
Name=&Teoma
URL=http://s.teoma.com/search?q=%s&qcat=1&qsrc=0&Search.x=0&Search.y=0
Query=
Key=t
Is post=0
Has endseparator=0
Encoding=utf-8
Search Type=3
Verbtext=17063
Nameid=0
Position=-1

[Search Engine 5]
Name=&MSN
URL=http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0&q=%s
Query=
Key=m
Is post=0
Has endseparator=0
Encoding=iso-8859-1
Search Type=3
Verbtext=17063
Position=-1
Nameid=0

MatthewHSE




msg:1586670
 3:01 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Has much changed since the 8.0 beta? Opera is making great strides but I'll be sticking with FireFox for awhile - although my Opera 7.54 just got much more bearable after I unlocked it with the free registration code they sent me! ;)

One thing I never could understand about the earlier versions of Opera was why they reduced the default viewable area to about 640x480 by adding using so many hotbars and toolbars. They're making a lot of progress in that area; isn't that skinny little sidebar panel about the only thing turned on by default these days? It's also very handy to have the e-mail client right within the browser window, though I wish it wasn't opening a new tab every whip-stitch. M2 takes some getting used to, but it's pretty nice and, though in my opinion FireFox is better than Opera, M2 is quite a bit farther along than ThunderBird.

incrediBILL




msg:1586671
 3:50 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, I went back and gave the games site a second chance this morning and suddenly Opera loaded them just fine.

I don't like mysteries in my browser as this is very odd, didn't reboot machine, changed no options, games worked last night in other browsers just not Opera, today the games load fine in Opera.

I'll raise my rating to 8.75 - they lose .25 just for being inconsistent :)

Jon_King




msg:1586672
 5:14 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>the best part of opera is mouse gestures

Agree. This thing is really well done.

-Impressed

RonPK




msg:1586673
 8:08 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some less positive issues:
* upgrading overrides customized files such as search.ini and fastforward.ini
* they've changed some keyboard shortcuts
* no improvement to the lousy news client
* I can't get the newsfeeds into the side panel (that used to be possible in 7.54)

Namaste




msg:1586674
 8:24 pm on Apr 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Keeps crashing!

RammsteinNicCage




msg:1586675
 1:40 am on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

For those that also want to edit their search.ini file (without manually doing it), check out opsed [starzaki.eu.org]. My most common search thingies (I still don't think I've ever learned what these are called) are 'y' for yahoo, 'g' for google, 'wiki' for wikipedia, 'imdb' for internet movie database, 'd' for download.com, 'e' for ebay, and 'z' for amazon. Makes searching sooo much faster.

Jennifer

RonPK




msg:1586676
 8:36 am on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thx Jennifer, that is interesting.

> can't get the newsfeeds into the side panel
You can if you create an email account.

ajparty




msg:1586677
 9:56 am on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can now answer my own question (sniffing Opera8 with script):


var w=window; var d=document; var browserType;
if (w.opera) {
if (typeof XMLSerializer!= 'undefined') { browserType = "Opera8";}
else if (w.print && d.childNodes) { browserType = "Opera7";}
else if (w.print) { browserType = "Opera6"; }
else { browserType = "Opera5orLess"; }
}

Hope someone finds it useful!

Hester




msg:1586678
 3:41 pm on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

News now caters for Atom as well as RSS.

eljefe3




msg:1586679
 3:57 pm on Apr 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anyone tried the voice commands yet? Looks interesting and could quite possibly save on the carpal tunnel syndrome.

Hester




msg:1586680
 9:10 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I haven't tried commanding Opera with voice commands yet, but I did download the speech files and got it to read out some text from web pages. The result was top class - much better than the free speech reader I had tried once before.

The speech was in no way 'cut up', or robotic. Real human actors have spoken the sounds needed to make words, and somehow Opera is able to make it flow freely like a real conversation. Obviously it isn't going to be perfect (I noticed a few slight problems with certain things), but as a testing tool for making sure your site works for users who need to read out the text, Opera hits the mark beautifully.

muszek




msg:1586681
 10:37 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm having little problems with the full version.

Some pictures on some webpages do not load at all (even if I right click on them and click on "reload images"). I think (not 100% sure, though) that same applies to CSS.

Examples: goooooogle images on the bottom of the bage whenever I search for something through opera's interface (it's ok when I go to google.com and then make a search). Here, on webmasterworld, I don't see the "post your comments" button (the one next to "post new topic", on the top right of every thread).
Edit: "ww" logo doesn't work either. Nor do "view member's profile" and "send a sticky".

I didn't have that problem with any previous version (not even with 8 beta), I checked with other browsers (firefox for example) and it looks fine.

I'm using Fedora Core 3, didn't find anything in preferences...

Anyone else encountered this problem?

benihana




msg:1586682
 10:48 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

but as a testing tool for making sure your site works for users who need to read out the text, Opera hits the mark beautifully.

I disagree.

As a quick guide for checking things make sense, its fine. But anyone who needs to have things read, will likely be using a software dedicated to the job, such as Jaws or similar.

In my brief testing, Opera doesnt seem to have any of the features that a real aural browser does, e.g. there is no list of links, you cannot skip from heading to heading, the focus doesnt follow the voice , so you cannot activate links when they are read, and there not even announced as links.

Hav to agree the voice rendering is very nice though.

andyp77




msg:1586683
 10:56 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm having little problems with the full version.

Some pictures on some webpages do not load at all (even if I right click on them and click on "reload images"). I think (not 100% sure, though) that same applies to CSS.

I'm having the same problem...some images just aren't there :(

Gorilla




msg:1586684
 11:00 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm having the same problem...some images just aren't there

You could always report this as a bug to Opera: [opera.com...]

Hester




msg:1586685
 11:34 am on Apr 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

@benihana: Actually you're right. I hadn't thought of all those missing options. I was just thinking it was great because it was free. JAWS etc always cost.

Hopefully with future versions Opera can add even more functionality. (I'd like to see a Pause button.)

You can skip between headers on a page - Opera has a key shortcut for that. Not sure if it works while the page is being read out though.


As for the images not loading problem, try upping the cache in the Preferences. The default setting is pathetically low.

benihana




msg:1586686
 12:01 pm on Apr 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

just started playing with the voice commands, and i have to say its a fantastic toy.

you can edit the setup so you just have to say

"opera web master"

and the active list here loads.

off to add my fav sites to shortcuts like this...

SimmoAka




msg:1586687
 12:04 pm on Apr 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

User JavaScript. Like Mozilla's User CSS, this enables you to tweak the design of individual sites. So say you have a site that used purple on green lettering that you found awful to read, you can now change the colouring, without affecting all other sites you visit.

A minor point and probably of little consequence, but isnt this feature potentially infringing the site owners copyright by altering what is viewed? I know it matters little in the normal scenarios but, by way of example, it might make it much easier for a competitor to demo their site alongside yours changing the colours on yours to make it look much less appealing. Just one off-the-top-of-my-head example.

Just a thought.

Cheers

Simmo!

SimmoAka




msg:1586688
 12:06 pm on Apr 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

...another example occurred also - might be more dangerous...where terms and conditions apply to an offer or e-commerce site and part of those terms are highlighted in some way. The user might potentially have changed colours and not be able to see part of the terms.

Cheers,

Simmo!

RammsteinNicCage




msg:1586689
 11:01 pm on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

SimmoAka, it would only change the way the site looked on your own computer, everyone else would still view it the original way.

Jennifer

SimmoAka




msg:1586690
 10:32 am on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Jennifer

Indeed this is true but that one user could still theoretically not have seen what you wanted them to see. So the issue could still arise.

Cheers

Simmo!

RammsteinNicCage




msg:1586691
 12:45 pm on Apr 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Since I think this is an individual site only thing, you would have had to see the site in it's original form before you could change it. If you change something to make it unreadable, that is your own fault, but I think your average Opera user that would use this function wouldn't be that stupid. ;)

Jennifer

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