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Opera 8.5 is now FREE!
No more ad-banner in Opera
bachius




msg:1584941
 8:22 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

[opera.com...]

"Opera has removed the banners, found within our browser, and the licensing fee. Opera’s growth, due to tremendous worldwide customer support, has made today’s milestone an achievable goal. Premium support is available."

Truly GREAT news!

Changelog:
[opera.com...]

 

tomda




msg:1584942
 8:30 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is a great news!

Now, I am sure we will have very soon a hot topic:
"Firefox 1.5 or Opera 8.5" :)

Get it now.

bill




msg:1584943
 8:47 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow. I guess we should have seen that coming. All of the FF pressure worked. ;) This is great news as it removes the barrier people had with the ads.

I've been a paid subscriber since 3.x. I'm glad I had a chance to support this browser and that they've finally reached this point. In my opinion the Opera browser is the best one out there.

topr8




msg:1584944
 8:55 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've been a paid subscriber since 3.x. I'm glad I had a chance to support this browser and that they've finally reached this point. In my opinion the Opera browser is the best one out there

very much ditto, i've been a subscriber and huge fan since my introduction to 3.6

Nybo




msg:1584945
 9:14 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

> All of the FF pressure worked

If this is something that you know for a fact I expect you to support your statement. (Unless your smiley tells that you're not completely sincere?)

If it is a personal interpretation I disagree. Untill someone proves me wrong. If it were a question of pressure from FF they would resist untill desperation forced them to give in. Norwegians are proud and stubborn people. And I don't think Opera were in a desperate situation.

Import Export




msg:1584946
 9:52 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)


The 10th anniversary promotion was a great idea from a marketing standpoint ;o)

eduardomaio




msg:1584947
 10:26 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've used the ad version, liked it a lot and bought it. It's nice to see now the browser is free.

I just hope Opera don't get the attention of hackers, spammers and alike... That was one of the main points in favor of Opera, the security.

rogerd




msg:1584948
 10:41 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Security through obscurity is never really all that secure. Eventually, someone finds the holes and targets the product. One hopes that security is build into the architecture...

thegreatpretender




msg:1584949
 10:54 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there an easy way to import bookmarks and toolbar from firefox to opera? or is there a wizard like ff does?

Thanks

bill




msg:1584950
 11:09 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld Nybo.
If this is something that you know for a fact I expect you to support your statement.

This has been one of the biggest factors holding back the growth of Opera IMHO. I don't hold the keys to any inside knowledge on this decision. As a long-time Opera user I've witnessed a lot of resistance to this browser in the global market, particularly in the Asian markets. (Opera has grown well beyond being merely a Norwegian company in the last 10 years.) Even though the ad supported version was innocuous to me, people labeled Opera crippleware or shied away because of it.

dcheney




msg:1584951
 11:17 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there an easy way to import bookmarks and toolbar from firefox to opera? or is there a wizard like ff does?

Its on the menus - File - Import and Export - Import Netscape/Firefox Bookmarks

Can't import toolbars - but many of the common toolbar features are already built into Opera.

Brett_Tabke




msg:1584952
 11:53 am on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is all great news.

They have been saying now for a couple of years that Opera was making all its money from licensing deals for the phone and set top box versions of Opera. The Windows version is now just helping to generate demand on the money makers.

Moparx




msg:1584953
 12:20 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

definately great news :)

i personally switched from firefox when they gave out free license keys last month or so.

Robin_reala




msg:1584954
 12:30 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Nice move.

Although personally I'm not moving from Firefox any competition is good competition in terms of getting new features implemented.

amznVibe




msg:1584955
 1:07 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

How will they make money now, volume? (j/k)

I guess they made enough from the embedding right for portables/phones?

thegreatpretender




msg:1584956
 1:13 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've just installed it and really looks nice.
However, I would like to add other search engine on it and I found this article by Birdmand [webmasterworld.com...] though it was written 3 years ago. Do you think I can still use his method with the latest version?

Thanks a lot.

photon




msg:1584957
 1:20 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, it will still work.

thegreatpretender




msg:1584958
 1:24 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks photon.

rogerd




msg:1584959
 1:42 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'll add my usual curmudgeonly remark when folks gush about new browsers - if a significant number of people start using Opera, this news isn't a good thing for web developers. Further fragmentation of the browser market will add time to development projects, and perhaps limit what designers can do in some areas. (I.e., rather than take the time to make an edgy design compatible with multiple browsers, they'll take the vanilla approach. That may not be bad in all cases, of course. :))

appi2




msg:1584960
 1:55 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

nod to rogerd

Installs opera
checks website
noooo

Why does opera not use my css when going fullscreen.
Works in IE FF and konqueror.
oh well.

And the answer is.
the media="screen" tag stops the css being shown when in full screen.

furtivefelon




msg:1584961
 2:13 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

no, both opera and firefox are mostly standard compliant.. It costs much less to develop for IE 6/FF 1.5/opera 8/konqueror? than just to develop for IE/Netscape 4.. go figure.

Clark




msg:1584962
 2:31 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've also been a paid subscriber for awhile but stopped using it since the FF extensions had a few features that Opera didn't. Now I'm confused and don't know which to go with. As a designer it is a nightmare.

The extensions do make FF less stable. Some users will prefer tabbed browsing plus stability.

When I open lots of windows in FF I find it uses more and more memory. Up to 400mb. And it doesn't come back when closing the windows. I don't know if it's one of the extensions causing the leak or the code itself.

Will be interesting to see what people say in a couple years. Personally don't think there is any killer app in Opera to get people to switch.

Would adding extensions to Opera make it more or less viable?

Hester




msg:1584963
 2:58 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why does opera not use my css when going fullscreen.
Works in IE FF and konqueror.
oh well.

And the answer is.
the media="screen" tag stops the css being shown when in full screen.

Opera requires media="projection" for fullscreen. So you need to do media="screen,projection".

The reason is that fullscreen mode in Opera is special. (Note the lack of toolbars.) You can actually use it to do presentations like Powerpoint slides. A site can also have two completely different styles depending on whether it's fullscreen or not.

However, I am one of several people who have campaigned for Opera to fall back to the same styles as normal mode when a fullscreen stylesheet has not been created. A majority of webmasters don't know about Opera's fullscreen mode, so their sites simply lose styles when you hit F11.

appi2




msg:1584964
 3:11 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Hester.
Works a treat.

Nybo




msg:1584965
 3:12 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the welcome, Bill. :)

An announcement [newsweb.no] by Opera on the Oslo Stock Exchange that gives some degree of explanation of the background for the decision.

zootreeves




msg:1584966
 3:19 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Free one minute...
Open source the next :)

Chndru




msg:1584967
 3:24 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

ahh, Thanks to google.

AbsintheSyringe




msg:1584968
 3:30 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yup, I've been saying that instead of putting the banner, free Opera should be open source, lack few features, but I'm sure that way people would develop it to be way better then the paid version.
I still cant find any news that it's open source now, but what matters is that it's completely free!

This is the move we've been waiting from Opera, still I just wish they put it to be Open Source and that's it. But again, Opera is the fastest browser on the planet, wondering if M$ or Mozilla/Firefox would take their rendering part of the code.

Deep Park still isnt half fast as Opera. Anyways these are some great news, not cuz of me I always had licensed version, but because of Opera future development.

Hester




msg:1584969
 3:50 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

The extended contract with Google
includes a search revenue deal, marketing support and
technical cooperation.

Interesting! Exactly what the above means I don't know. But any help marketing is bound to be a good thing. I see plenty of marketing and hype for Firefox, but little for Opera.

Hey, maybe Google will add a link to download Opera on their main search page?

weeks




msg:1584970
 4:07 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just downloaded it onto my Mac (cutting edge OS) and Opera is blazingly fast. Woo!
This is such a fun place to hang out. Keeps me from doing work I need to be doing, however.

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