theperlyking
msg:1585801 | 3:43 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
For design or for surfing? For design all three are compulsory for me, for surfing I mostly use Opera though fall back to mozilla,IE or Netscape 4.7 depending on what computer i'm using.
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Eric_Jarvis
msg:1585802 | 3:46 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
in general I use Opera...for downloads I use Netscape...if I expect to go anywhere built by idiots I use IE
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circuitjump
msg:1585803 | 3:59 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Curiously, what OS do you'll use it in? Opera is looking like the browser to use. Oh yeah, I mean surfing.
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lawman
msg:1585804 | 4:17 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>>if I expect to go anywhere built by idiots I use IE. Ouch!
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bartek
msg:1585805 | 6:14 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
I've been a hardcore Opera user since ver 3.60 - *nothing* came close to it. Lately it's been "thinking" too much and sometimes freeze for about 3 seconds.
I'm pretty impressed with the latest Mozilla, displays pages mighty quick... Still a bit too "netscapish" for my taste and no mouse gestures. Not bad for version 0.9.2 though - can't wait how it develops. IE and NS only if I have to.
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alexjc
msg:1585806 | 7:23 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Isn't the Netscape browser project dead now anyway? I know Redhat dumped it in favour of Mozzila, which seriously puts its future into question... Personally, i think the latest version of Mozzila is a big step forward!
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theperlyking
msg:1585807 | 8:45 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>> what OS do you'll use it in?
I use windows 2000 all the time at the moment. I can't help but think that Opera is the power surfers browser, it has so many features to make sufin' easier compared to IE. >>.if I expect to go anywhere built by idiots I use IE hehe :)
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MikeFoster
msg:1585808 | 10:20 pm on Jul 24, 2001 (gmt 0) |
I test on Win2K with IE5.01 and NN4.77.
I test on Win98 with IE6.0, NN4.75, Mozilla0.9.2, NS6.01, and Opera5.12.
If I really need to I can test on NT4 with IE4.0. I surf with IE mainly, but sometimes Mozilla.
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Macguru
msg:1585809 | 12:35 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
The Mac if my preferred platform for work. But I also use Frankenstein that can boot from many OS. I can use DOS, win 3,95,98ver1,98ver2,wME,2k and Linux. So I can try the work on many browser make and versions. Opera is just not ready yet for the Mac platform. So I prefer to use Netscape 4.7 on it.
I downloaded NS 6.01 yesterday for both platform. Great improvement on version 6 but still slow compared to Opera. To my opinion Opera is the best for surfing and technical analysis a win PC. I used Netscape 4.7 before because it was pretty easy to view a frame source code and toggle JavaScript mode. But they made me discover Opera by trying to force down my troat NS 6 every time I checked my mail. (I am glad they did) MSIE is by far the worst stuff around. It is huge and slow, bring the whole system down when it crashes and leave your flanks open to any nasties. I simply dont understand why people use it.
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knighty
msg:1585810 | 1:46 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
I only use Netscape for testing, hopefully one day it will dissapear for good. Netscape 6 is about a billion times worse though, the latest version only makes it a million times worse. Opera is pretty speedy and i might use it more if I get used to it. Explorer is still the best browser by far and is what I use 99% of the time on both Mac and PC.
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agerhart
msg:1585811 | 1:50 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Knighty I am the same way, but I am trying to get used to Opera as it seems to be the better of the two
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Macguru
msg:1585812 | 2:53 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>>Explorer is still the best browser by far... Can you please explain me why? Just curious.
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alexjc
msg:1585813 | 4:37 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Eric, The latest version of Opera for windows can't even handle my validated CSS 1... is that the windows version, or is it just as bad on all the other platforms?
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pageoneresults
msg:1585814 | 5:04 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
I stick with the proven favorite IE! Oh yea, start flaming! I know most of you are MS hate fans but I have to look at the audience out there and a majority of them are using IE. I worked with opera for a couple of weeks and was very impressed. The problem is that it is not widely used and when you are designing and optimizing for the masses, IE and Netscape are still the major players. Netscape 6 is leaps and bounds beyond previous versions but it is too late for them. Its a shame, because I use to be a devout NS user back in the days when they had 30% or more of the market share. If MS continues down the same path they are, it will only be a matter of time before Opera and Netscape (if still around) scoop up the fallout. The reality is that IE dominates the browser market and will for quite some time. It's one of those things in life that we've all come to live with. For personal surfing, I still prefer IE out of habit and functionality.
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Travoli
msg:1585815 | 5:44 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Just downloaded Opera cause I have heard do much about it. I like the interface, but I really dislike the banner ads. Is there a way to get rid of them? Also, what do you Opera fans use (functionality-wise) that you feel is better than IE? I see that the pages load faster and scroll smoothly while loading. That is great! But what do YOU find is your fav. feature? Thanks.
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Macguru
msg:1585816 | 6:09 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Hi Travoli, Unfortunatly, the only way to get rid of the banner ads is to purchase the product. I believe the current version is 40$ US. That is the price of a shareware. The things I like best about Opera:
It works fast, loads fast and preferences are accessible in a convenient way
You can open frames and view the source
You can toggle very fast between JavaScript modes
You can reload dynamic pages at some time you set to get the most recent info
You can manage all open windows in a snap
You can delete all cookies or switch user agent in a snap. Wich is great for hand submitting more pages than allowed.
You can run away from sites who adopted theyre strategies from adult industry consultants
You can crash it without having to restart the system
You can validate your HTML code right from it
You can save and learn about any element from intelligent contextual menues from the right mouse button
You can configure default document management in a snap
You can have a good feed back of loading status (good to know in advance theyre is still 479 images to load...)
You can evaluate the intelligence of some competitor by just trying it on theyre sites And you can dream of it while you sleep (edited by: Macguru at 6:15 pm (gmt) on July 25, 2001)
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JamesR
msg:1585817 | 6:14 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
speed - Opera
page rendering - IE I intensely dislike Netscape
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Brett_Tabke
msg:1585818 | 6:30 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>validated CSS 1 Since Opera is the ONLY 100% compliant CSS level 1 browser, I'd say there is something else wrong on the page. Just because the CSS validates, doesn't mean the page does. Opera accels at CSS. >Why Opera? - Speed. (it's not raw page loading speed, it is in the surfing - page-to-page, site-to-site)
- Security. Never a single major security breech in opera - none, zero, nada, ziltch.
- Shift click, shift-control-click (open link in new window foreground/background)
- MDI (have 40 pages open right now - try that with IE some time).
- Privacy. Advanced cookie filtering and blocking.
- Bookmark Projects. (Open 10-xxx urls at the same time).
- Privacy. Referral string blocking.
- Standards compliance.
- System friendly. at under 15meg install - it touches only 3 or 4 registry settings. Zero system threat. Compare it to ie, that dominates your system. If ie crashes, a blue screen usually follows.
- Control. Run your own css, slice through unreadable "mistake sites" is seconds.
- Preferences. Second to none. [searchengineworld.com...]
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Macguru
msg:1585819 | 6:54 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>>I intensely dislike Netscape Can you please explain me why? Just curious.
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circuitjump
msg:1585820 | 6:54 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Check this out. While
G-G-G shows how well your pages handle non-graphical displays, Ctrl+G (toggle document settings) can handle all your CSS needs. With default settings
(shown to the left), clicking on Ctrl+G switches
between using the document (author) style sheet and the user style sheet. You change
your preferences in the File > Preferences > Documents tab (Alt+P). If you want to test your page/site
relative to a specific style sheet, you can select it in the User CSS box in
the bottom right hand corner. You can get more info here,
[opera.com ]
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littleman
msg:1585821 | 10:06 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
It won't matter for most of you, but Konqueror is a great browser. It loads up faster than any other browser I've used and has excellent page rendering. Just for the heck of it I opened up 40 browser windows and it handled it fine. This box is only a Celeron 400 with 128 ram. Cookie, js, proxy, and user agent configuring is very straight forward.
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WebRookie
msg:1585822 | 10:15 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Used to use Netscape, switched to Opera and really love it. Still use a little of Netscape and IE, but mostly Opera now.
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typophile
msg:1585823 | 10:22 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>Opera is just not ready yet for the Mac platform... I didn't even know they made a browser for Mac. If so where do I get it (not their freeware site).
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seth_wilde
msg:1585824 | 10:27 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
I have both NN4.77 and IE6.0 installed. I use netscape for everything except for sites "built by idiots" (I really try to keep my MS use to a bare minimum). I have always wanted to try opera but have never gotten around to it. Do they offer any kind of free test drive?
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agerhart
msg:1585825 | 10:28 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
they offer a free download----can't get any better
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circuitjump
msg:1585826 | 10:48 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
Konqueror is a good browser, for those of us using linux. Much better then using netscape and a lot more reliable. The unfortunate part is that people using MS windows and MAC OS can't use it. At least thats what I know so far. Anyone know if it's available for other OS's?
Or is it just Linux/KDE specific?
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littleman
msg:1585827 | 11:17 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
So far it looks like it is just the *nixs (BSD, Linux. Solaris), but I bet someone will port it soon to Mac OS 10. It is a *nix based os too.
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circuitjump
msg:1585828 | 11:54 pm on Jul 25, 2001 (gmt 0) |
True,
makes sense for them to go to OS 10
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knighty
msg:1585829 | 9:27 am on Jul 26, 2001 (gmt 0) |
>>Opera accels at CSS. Apart from CSS 2 - even Netscape 4.7 has better CSS 2 support Dislike banners :( Will take a bit of getting used to. (so many other ways to spend time) Is'nt really that many groundbreaking features over IE Love its speed Love the small resource consumption When it fixes the drawbacks I may even kick out IE :) Netscape?? HA yeah right
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