| 1:17 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
No, you mis-understand. I have tried it, I told you. But I've tried it so many times, so many different builds that I'm bored of downloading it and reinstalling.
| 1:24 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
i agree that IE is a good browser and think only those that say otherwise have a curious agenda, i can always view a site and have it function in IE (presumably because as the most popular browser all sites are tested on it, but not always on others)
i've tried mozilla out of curiosity since this thread started, but haven't used it enough to decide about it yet.
Netscape 4.7 was so bad that when we upgraded to win2k last year didn't even bother re-installing it (except as an afterthought in order to test pages for the unfortunate few who use it)
as for Opera, some (rarely) pages are unviewable and it does crash on a regular basis, sometimes i have to refresh a page before i can actually see it, eg blank page (but view source and its all there!!) hitting refresh brings it up though, additionally it seems to freeze sometimes.
despite those drawbacks opera is my no 1 choice, not because i'm anti MS which i'm not ... but because once i took some time to learn some shortcuts and become familiar with the interface the features are superior and far outweigh the drawbacks..i particularily like
mouse gestures ... weird but cool when i got the hang of it.
very multiple windows
caching seems to work different to ie (could be my settings)
ease of flipping between text only/cached images/all images
view frame source easily
easier viewing of source for those pages where it is obstructed
and the list goes on... and on
| 1:33 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
click_watcher, that was an excellent reply. You obviously know what you are talking about. Although I prefer to keep using IE because I can't afford to wait for a browser which crashes, I fully respect your opinion of Opera. I get the feeling that a lot of people are using the forum for bashing MS. However, many people seem to think I am bashing non-MS. Not so. I just want to see an alternative that fully matches and beats a Microsoft product. Agreed, Dreamweaver UltraDev 4 thrashes Frontpage by miles, but Homepage, although it has better functions, is terribly unreliable. It crashes all the time, so no win there. Nothing, as yet beats SQL Server. Nothing beats Word or Excel. Access works well as a home database. I won't go on, cause this thread is about something else; I only felt I should explain myself. *breaths finally* Thank you for listening.
| 1:57 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I have no problem with MS when they get the product right...IE5 or Win2k are good products...but when they get the product BADLY wrong (Outhouse Excuse or FP) they use their relationship with hardware distributors and suppliers to ensure that a substandard product becomes the industry standard
that's why there is so much ire about a number of MS products...add in situations like gateway.gov.uk, where to do your tax returns online you currently MUST use IE, and surely it's obvious why some of us take umbrage
it's a question of choice...given the choice I use IE for a lot of browsing...but I want that to be my choice, not something forced on me by other webmasters
I use windows as an OS by choice...but I'd like to choose which version I use not be forced by hardware suppliers to use the latest only partially tested version
I didn't like changing from WordPerfect to Word...but I'd agree that Word is at least as good a program
none of which takes away from the fact that Front Page is a buggy, irritatingly bloated, inconvenient editor that has some of the most ridiculous defaults in the history of computing...it has NOTHING going for it as a web editor except a massive and ruthless marketing department...that's not an attack on Microsoft...it's an attack on one individual product
| 2:02 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Everything on its own merits, that the best way to play it. Thats why today I use windows 2000 but tomorrow I might be using Linux, or BSD, or winXP.
| 2:20 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Everything on its market share
This is what it boils down to for me I really don't care who makes what so long as I get the most out of it.
If tommorow 90% of the world started using the new Zappy Dappy operating system and the Wubby Hubby Browser then that is what I would be using too.
The program/computer that most people use is the one that most people develop for. Its as simple as that .
At the moment its Microsoft therefore I use Explorer on a PC :)
| 2:34 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Market share is a merit too :)
| 4:06 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Does anyone here use BroadPage?
Its uses the IE engine, so you need to have IE, but looks much nicer, smaller, loads a heck of alot faster, have split panels with different urls on each one, has insert windows that have explorer, history, guides, etc... I love it MUCH more than IE !!!! Trust me, its great for multitaskers, and super fast to load up.. IE always spazzes on me when i load it up, when i type in a URL...
ALSO!!! Its has a built in pop-up button, that flashes when a pop-up occurs, then you click it to make it pop-up, or just ignore it, OR you can disable all pop-ups!!!!
By the way, what exactly is MOzilla? Is it a totally dif browser than netscape and IE ?? Where can I download it?
| 4:19 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
| 5:11 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
> Where can I download it?
I usually get the latest nightly build from the bottom right hand of the front page of [mozilla.org...] . Bear in mind my comments further up the page though if you try it.
| 5:30 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I gave Broadpage only a short trial but remember being impressed. That pop-up feature was cool.
Any thoughts on ActivatorDesk and it's safe-browsing methods? I would think there would be some interesting opinions on it. Site search turned up nothing, so I assume there's no thread yet.
| 9:51 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Mate, Mozilla is the M version of Netscape six. Can't rember which M version though.
| 10:30 pm on Jul 31, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Its the other way round, every so often Netscape take one of the Mozilla milestone (M=Milestone) builds and brands it as netscape 6.x and releases it.
They are only doing that to keep the public thinking that they are continuing a netscape browser -i'm guessing the progress of Mozilla is a little slow for Netscape/AOL/Whoevers liking.
| 7:02 am on Aug 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
that's what I meant, sorry.
| 11:08 pm on Aug 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
The only browser I really HATE (anyone got a stronger word ;) is Netscape 4.7 and below. Among the things that frustrate me the most:
- bad html/css formatting
- having to click on (or tab to) submit in forms
- buggy under windows, and practically unuseable under linux (does it clog the web port when it dies?)
I'm trying Opera at the moment, based on many recomendations here. And even if at first, my impressions wern't too good, it's really growing on me! It's all the little details that count... those you don't notice at first if you're a IE user. I'm getting used to all the shortcuts, and it's paying off.
IE was my favourite, until now! It has everything you need, until you start using Opera ;)
IE is not very stable on my system, whereas Opera hasn't died once yet... it's good excuse to move on!
Mozilla is making progress, a lot of it... and in the right direction. But still not quite on par with Opera, from the little features point of view. I use that for testing mainly.
| 2:38 am on Aug 2, 2001 (gmt 0)|
How fast is MOzilla ? Not only internet speed but the time it takes to load..
IE takes bloody forever to load on me, and when it does, it spazes eveytime i type in a URL... My comp is only 200mhz so im a bit behind the technology, but would like to give Mozilla a try if it wasnt a memory hog.. Should I download?
| 6:49 am on Aug 2, 2001 (gmt 0)|
First, one thing I have often noticed about IE is that like the Operating system it starts to sloooow down after a while and become unstable. A complete OS reinstall cures this for a short period but not permanently, if you think this applies to you and you are up to it you may want to reinstall windows as it could help the general speed of your comp.
Mozilla has been a memory hog in the past but recent builds are (contrary to most other software) getting smaller and less bloaty as time goes on, I think with something like mozilla its a case of suck it and see. If I were you download it and try it, or if you havent yet try Opera, thats a great browser once you dig past its interface quirks :)
Speaking as someone who spent a few years using nothing but netscape I would like to also join your Netscape 4.7 haters club :)
| 7:03 am on Aug 2, 2001 (gmt 0)|
On my Duron 700, 128MB RAM, IE opens instantly, on the micro-second. Netscape 6.01 - just Mozilla really (don't know which build) it takes a little over a minute to load.
IE never slows down for me, and never crashes. If I open more than eight IE windows, then Windows 98 slows down, but not Windows 2000.
| 8:35 am on Aug 2, 2001 (gmt 0)|
IE is resident in memory thats why it launches quickly, there is an option to do this in Mozilla too .I dont know about Netscape Preview Release 6.1 because its not based on the latest mozilla code.
IE has a few tricks like this to pretend its faster than it really is, like having a progress bar that moves even when its not actually loading anything :)
6.01 is 4 months old and based on a much less capable mozilla so I am guessing you are using 6.1?
| 7:57 am on Aug 3, 2001 (gmt 0)|
I have been using the latest version of Netscape and it does seem slighlty better than the first release but then if it only took 3 hours to load it would be an improvement.
It is still slow, clunky, shaky, crashy and downright annoying to use.
What ever happened to consitency? IE4>IE5>IE6 all my pages remained virtually the same. Yet NN4>NN6 and its like you're using a completely different browser not version.
What happened to NN5??
| 8:12 am on Aug 3, 2001 (gmt 0)|
Knighty, that will just have to remain one of those mysteries. :-)
| 10:09 am on Aug 3, 2001 (gmt 0)|
>>its like you're using a completely different browser not version.
Yes, thats because they are completely different :)
If anyone is really wondering how things are going with mozilla/netscape check out Mike Mackin's Dmoz link earlier in this thread.
I would heartily recommend that anyone who really wants to try the future of Netscape doesnt download the Netscape branded version, if you do then you deserve everything you get ;)
| 3:26 pm on Sep 1, 2001 (gmt 0)|
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