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Opera 6 Beta 1
Opera 6.0 released
rcjordan

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Msg#: 332 posted 12:31 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Opera 6.0 for Windows Beta 1 released [opera.com]

[searchengineworld.com...]

 

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Msg#: 332 posted 12:55 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

I really expected Brett to do this post! :)

Thanks rcjordan.

I am going there right away!

bill

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Msg#: 332 posted 12:59 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Be wary...some servers are very slow now...must have been rcjordan's post ;)

theperlyking

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Msg#: 332 posted 1:22 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

It looks cute, and the best thing is it is multi user aware so when my wife logs in as her she can use her own set of bookmarks etc..

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Msg#: 332 posted 1:53 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just upgraded to it, it looks good, and the default super search is cool, Fast and Google, my two key targets. Have opera got contracts with these two or something, or are they deliberately trying to get users, who know their stuff ?

rcjordan

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Msg#: 332 posted 3:23 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

>are they deliberately trying to get users who know their stuff

yes

>must have been rcjordan's post

no doubt about it, i'm a market-maker ;)

richcasto

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Msg#: 332 posted 3:32 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Is it stable? I tend not to trust betas.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 332 posted 4:07 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have been busy...

[searchengineworld.com...]

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Msg#: 332 posted 4:15 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Windows Media Player as well as many other plugins are now available under Opera6.0

Although I have had trouble with simple javaScript rollovers...

Brett: Great page!

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Msg#: 332 posted 4:23 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

>I have been busy...

It shows! Wow great job Brett! It will be a reference.

Just playing with the Gnome buttons now.

Thanks

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 332 posted 6:30 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks.

>got contracts

F4 (open the hotlist) and click on the Contacts tab. You can 'import' contacts from the File->Import menu.

>stable

More stable than any previous Opera build on any platform (and I'm picky about that stuff). It's higher quality than any Opera release ever. I feel it is 'final' quality. And knowing there is a "final" version yet to come, just makes it all that much more sweet.

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Msg#: 332 posted 6:42 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

So I guess the concensus is "Who care's if they label it a Beta? It's faster, got more features and is already more stable than 5.0... Download it now!"

/me heads over to the download page. :)

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 332 posted 7:42 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm as surprised as anyone. I think they stuck the "beta" on it just to cover themselves in the event that something slipped by the beta groups. Which by all accounts, it didn't. Just a handful of minor annoyances and nothing major.

jimmykav

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Msg#: 332 posted 10:05 am on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well done Opera
Looks like a piece of real competition for IE at last.

EX_S

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Msg#: 332 posted 12:00 pm on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

First impressions:

It's a lot prettier than the default configuration of the Opera 5.x series. The buttons were attractive but subtle, the forground skin likewise.

The first thing I did was surf all the sites I knew I had problems viewing in 5.12, and I was pleasantly surprised. Even www.graysonline.com.au (famous for lazy techs, rude reps and spamming) rendered okay.

The next thing is to try and view some asian sites to test unicode support. No problems there - they all rendered without a problem.

Surfing seems to be a little faster. Opera claims that 6.0 is 20 - 25% faster than 5.12. I'm not able measure it, but it does seem a little more brisk. The incidence of a page "hanging" before it's fully loaded seems to be less also (or maybe my ISP isn't playing up for a change).

Onto features, the personal toolbar is exceptionally handy. Another feature that is great is the "Quick Preferences". Basically, commonly changed prefs such as enabling JavaScript or cookies are accessable from one keypress. There's a similar menu that allows you to erase all cookies, history, cache etc. with a few clicks.

Email support still isn't quite as good as I'd like. My biggest gripe is the notification - or lack of it. It doesn't create a little mail icon in the taskbar. It doesn't seem to want to play sounds (maybe Opera doesn't support .wav format?). And popping up a window or notification could get annoying if you're in the middle of something. Accessing multiple accounts gets tiresome, though I think it's possible to have all your mail accounts displayed in one pane. I just haven't figured it out yet.

The instant messenger feature works fine... but doesn't store any messages. Ah well, I guess I'll have to stick to the bloated ICQ program.

Opera 6 probably has more features that I haven't discovered yet. Overall, in the few hours I've been using it, I'm very happy to have downloaded it, and it has replaced 5.12 completely. Don't let the Beta nomenclature fool you - it's already better than 5.12.

Well done Opera!

NetGrease

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Msg#: 332 posted 12:51 pm on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Nice overview EX_S and that mini-site is superb Brett, especially those buttons!

Seriously though, I think it'll definately be a greater-used reference - I'll certainly be checking in more often...

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Msg#: 332 posted 2:41 pm on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

ooooooooh pretty! Me very happy :)
uh oh. Toggling to the print preview and back to the regular view of the WMW homepage produced an error. FYI.

David

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Msg#: 332 posted 10:51 pm on Nov 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Nice Update, I Think my wife will use this.

I can't click a mailto link and get eudora to come up. I am getting a windows error telling me to go to mycomputer and to fix the problem.

Is this my install?
Any one else have this problem?

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Msg#: 332 posted 2:41 am on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Looks great... however i miss the feature that sold me on IE from Netscape.

As a laptop dial up user, IE can store whatever bookmarked pages you like off line, so even if you are off line you can access them. This is part of the synchronise feature which also means you can in one click up date the latest versions of all your bookmarks.

This is a really important feature to me.

Great to see that Opera is showing support for RSS in it's panels. Hopefully the next version will mean you can have any RSS file you want rather than just two predefined Moreover RSS feeds. It's a but ugly right now, (eg the moreover graphic is "stretched" at least on my browser, and i cant see how to make the fonts smaller for the panel) but good to see it being experimented with.

Im pretty close to being converted from IE, at least to have it as a secondary browser. But that off line capability is the bugbear.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 332 posted 5:11 am on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

>sounds?

Sure: [searchengineworld.com...]
and .wav sound archive:
[searchengineworld.com...]

>click a mailto link and get eudora

I've read some discussion about it, and know there is some sort of a problem with that particular combo, but I don't understand it enough to offer a fix. If I figure it out, I'll post it. Faq:
[searchengineworld.com...]

>Travoli, print preview.

Hmmm. No clue there - works good here. I use that feature often to get 'another look' at a site too.

worst bugs found thus far:
- printing error when trying to print in reduced ratios/percentages. (if you select 80% it comes out like 20% or something ...) There are a couple other known problems with printing and win 2k/nt. (I guess you can only get at your printer prefs one time and then must restart Opera).
- ftp crash. First and only known reproducible crash. Surfing certain types of ftp:// servers (war), can cause a crash when switching ftp directories.

>RSS file you want rather than just two predefined Moreover RSS feeds

I'm not sure I understand that chiyo. You can put any page in there you want. You can do up to 20 custom panels on the Hotlist.

chiyo

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Msg#: 332 posted 6:03 am on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)
Brett said..
I'm not sure I understand that chiyo. You can put any page in there you want. You can do up to 20 custom panels on the Hotlist.

If you click on Add panel, it takes you to a customize Opera page, from there you can choose several pre-defined channels, of which two are RSS based - Moreover channels. I thought that maybe Opera was parsing RSS XML feeds automatically, but I see that they are parsing it on their own server and you access an opera URL with the parsed content. So, no it dosent seem Opera is auto parsing XML RSS files at this stage, but do have a facility where they can parse files on their server. At the moment you cant choose any RSS feed.

If anybody is interested, Tara's implemntation of the RSS Monkey script is great. Another highly recommeded one is at
http://piefke.helma.at/rss/
but you are still dependent on a remote site for parsing. It has good customization features too. RSSMonkey is a free script you can use on your own site if you are not commercial.

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Msg#: 332 posted 6:17 am on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

[wired.com...] has an article on Opera. What's funny is that I found this article from the MSN portal as one of the three headlines for wired.com. That has to tick off Microsoft.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 332 posted 7:08 am on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

AH ic where you are at chiyo.

Totally, unconditionally - ignore that useless link "get panels" - it's dumb.

Instead:
- open a page you want to put on a panel. (any old web page will do)
- open the hotlist (f4)
- right click on any of the tabs (email, bookmarks, contacts)
- select "add panel".

You'll get a prompt for a title and a url. The title will be used for the new
tab, and the url will default to the current focused page.

presto - instant web page panel. You can do that for up to 20 pages!

More: [searchengineworld.com...]

lol Xoc. Thanks for the link.

littleman

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Msg#: 332 posted 7:18 am on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Brett, any word on the Linux front?

4eyes

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Msg#: 332 posted 2:32 pm on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Looks great, but....

Keeps crashing on my system with 'system resources getting low' warning.

Don't have this problem with latest Mozilla - damn, I fancied changing back to Opera but 'no can do':(

ggrot

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Msg#: 332 posted 7:12 pm on Nov 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

I want a google toolbar for opera - then I can finally get rid of IE once and for all.

caine

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Msg#: 332 posted 11:56 pm on Nov 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

I agree ggrot

however, i've just collapsed it, can't get in at all, will need to completely delete; both uninstall and hunt down all the .dll files and try it again.

(edit: sorted it, just a simple reinstall, kept email acc's, though not bookmarks).

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 332 posted 4:32 am on Nov 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

>running out of resources

From Trond - one of Opera 6's core programmers:


For those running out of resources on win9x systems, try this:
1. Go to preferences->History and cache.
2. Uncheck / disable automatic RAM cache
3. Set both Cache documents and Cache images to 10000 KB and make sure they're checked.
If you still run into problems, try lowering the "Cache images" value to 8000, then 5000 if problem persists.
Next version should solve this though.
(-Trond)

4eyes

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Msg#: 332 posted 11:30 am on Nov 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks Brett - so far it looks like it has done the trick [fingers crossed]

4eyes

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Msg#: 332 posted 11:35 am on Nov 17, 2001 (gmt 0)

Anyone know of a 'password manager' for Opera.

I never bothered before, but I got so used to the Mozilla one that it is now on my 'essential list'

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