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lawman




msg:1584746
 8:56 pm on Aug 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

. . . have you seen the article on your favorite web browser?

[news.com.com...]

lawman

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:1584747
 9:17 pm on Aug 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes - seen it.

Course, I'm still using 3.62 most days...

moonbiter




msg:1584748
 4:03 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmm. DOM support. Looks good.

Still, I wonder if I'll be asked to shell out another $30.

Oh, and I particularly liked Monte Hurd's admonishment for the other browsers to not focus on standards but rather follow Microsoft's lead. Yeesh. I sure hope that's not a representative sentiment. ...

rewboss




msg:1584749
 7:18 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, it's a bit of a sticky problem, really. MSIE has the undisputed lion's share of the market and can afford simply to ignore W3C standards, whether we like it or not. The W3C can't force anyone to keep to their specs: there's no law against scrolling marquees. Anyone who doesn't make their sites MSIE compatible is going to be left out in the cold.

The advice to follow Microsoft's lead may make serious designers' toes curl. It sets the teeth on edge... but it's pragmatic, sadly.

starway




msg:1584750
 7:56 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Definitely great news for all Opera users!

My 5 cents about all these W3C vs MSIE stories:
I think that we should look into future. Current MS position in browser market will not stay the same, I'm sure in this. And following standards seems to be the rigth way to fit into future's plan, and maybe even make it come closer.

After all, IE is getting closer to W3C specs in it's latest release. But it saved backward compatibility with it's elder versions, which is the reason that lots of developers don't even know (or bother themselves to get into) the latest changes in this area.
So they are the ones who should be blamed in this case.

Brad




msg:1584751
 1:25 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is exciting news. It comes just in time for MS to be making the choice of default browser selectable by the computer manufacturer. (I think.)

Maybe we will start seeing Opera as standard equipment on some models.

Is there an accepted way to make suggestions to Opera about features?

Brett_Tabke




msg:1584752
 2:20 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>make suggestions to Opera about features?

Ya, build a website and put up your own Opera 7 Wish list [searchengineworld.com]. lol

chameleon




msg:1584753
 2:44 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Here's some more info on the project. Sounds like good stuff:

[theregister.co.uk...]

As for IE vs. W3C, it's a tough call. IE is king, and you have to go where the market is.

That said, they do have pretty decent support for the W3C standards. IMHO, that pushes the ball back into our court -- the developers. If we develop web sites that use W3C standard tags, rather that write IE-Only stuff, it won't matter what browser you're on. Just because a scrolling marquee tag exists doesn't mean you have to use it. (on a side note, please don't -- it's damned annoying!).

mattur




msg:1584754
 3:49 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Would Microsoft be worse than the w3c? I'm sure the w3c have their hearts in the right place, but I think they've become over obsessed with evolving the web rather than looking for the web's replacement(s).

If we'd had the equivalent of the w3c 10 years ago, would TBL have bothered working on his www, or just concentrated on contributing to the Semantic Gopher(tm)?

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