| 5:48 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I dunno, Opera 7 is an outstanding job between true w3c specs and compatibility with IE 5+6.
Mozilla still breaks on alot of code I had working well for years, like changing images to display:block in tables, etc. It causes gaps for rounded corners and other problems. Plus Mozilla renders slow (please don't say get pheonix folks :) )
I also love the small screen simulation in opera 7 to test for palm pc's, the auto-refresh you can set for any window. Very handy stuff.
| 5:51 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
You can turn off the 'special effects' ;) :
File > Preferences > Browser look > 'Enable special effects'
| 5:56 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Oh that's strange, I tried to turn off the special effects and I got an error about the skin not being compatible with Opera 7 b2 <--
Looks like in the rush to get it out, they forgot to change all the version references.
Does anyone else have the final installed? Look at help:about, does this match? Version 7.0 Build 2637
| 6:04 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Did you install over the beta? I did at first and it crashed repeatedly.
yes, the version number matches
| 6:05 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Ya, nuke the beta directory and install from scratch.
| 6:10 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
At first I thought they removed the ability to customize the tool bars and menus (I like it plain text for the most part).
Instead of a section in Preferences, you now right click the tool bar or menu to make alterations.
| 6:15 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Opera has expressed doubt about continuing to produce a browser for the Mac because of Apple's own launch of its Safari browser which is based on the open-source unix KHTML browser.
So maybe mozilla will be the last widely cross platform compatible browser.
| 6:31 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Changed your mind yet Brett?
| 6:55 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
i had a few problems in 7 with pull down menus. in overture i couldnt switch between accounts on the pull down tab on the top of the screen.
i did like how it did some of the memory things that ie5/6 have. with saving passwords and what not.
i think i will stick with 6 though. seems to be a bit "lighter"
| 7:19 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I guess they chose form above function. True indeed I can't seem to get use to their new style - too flashy.
| 7:54 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Overtures code is so low quality, I'm rather surprised it will display on anything besides ie.
Ya, I deinstalled it. My mouse wheel won't work with it.
| 10:25 am on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
They just finally changed their front page this hour, so the final is official.
Alternate download url:
this should be live sometime soon:
| 1:48 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
7 seems much heavier than 6 - a real hog which manages to bring my aged box to a halt.
| 3:53 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Okay, I'm lost, before I try downloading this, what is the problem/objection with ver. 7?
| 4:18 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Given Opera's trend away from a user's browser, I don't think I will be upgrading. |
Okay, I must have missed something too...
What do you mean by that, Brett? What do you have against Opera 7. I'm using the beta now, and I think it's one of the best browsers around -- works with almost every web site I've seen; much faster than IE. Seems like a winner to me.
Mozilla is a hog, slow and buggy.
I don't get it.
| 5:05 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I think it's mainly web developers who keep fringe browsers alive.
if "we" all stopped checking sites with the browsers and concentrated on putting pressure on MS to simply improve IE...we'd all win.
Do other browsers load pages 1/10th of a second faster...sure. Does it matter? No.
Is competition good? YES. But none of the browsers are any real threat to IE at all.
Just my opinion of course...
| 5:31 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|But none of the browsers are any real threat to IE at all. |
They may not threaten the market share, but that is largely down to Microsoft's 'aggressive' marketing tactics. On a level playing field IE would fare much worse.
In terms of functionality, both Opera and Phoenix are better for me. I get more done quicker.
Am I alone in switching browsers to suit the task at hand?
If I want to open a 'shed load' of browser windows simultaneously (for example, when link-exchange hunting), Opera wins hands down.
When buying on-line and checking out my own site designs I am forced to use IE.
| 7:20 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I just reporter a small problem with CSS in the beta. They would not have had time to fix it yet (or maybe even look at it)
| 7:39 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|pressure on MS to simply improve IE...we'd all win. |
M$ will release a browser that runs on my operating system over their own dead body, or when browsers are so old-hat and obsolete that they no longer care. If then.
And even if they did, I don't want it. I run the dang-blasted monster in an emulator just so I can test my pages. If I weren't writing HTML for the great unwashed masses, there's no way I'd have *any* proprietary web browser installed on my computer.
Of the two, though, Opera deffinitely causes the least pain. Customizing O7 a bit, I'm pretty happy with it so far. It at least competes with Mozilla, which is more than I can say for IE, which just sucks so badly I don't see how anyone can stand it.
| 8:40 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Only 1 thing I don't like so far (vs. 6.05): its the lack of the "show progress inside address bar" feature, formerly found in preferences under "Browser Layout".
| 10:37 pm on Jan 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Since Opera when downloaded for free do still have advertisement, i think would stick to my less bloated gecko-browser which is k-meleon.
You may wish to try it, its fat free unlike mozilla and even phoenix.
| 12:11 am on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
None of the (rendering) bugs I reported are fixed :-(
Guess on webmaster isn't making his sites Opera-compatible anymore...
| 12:25 am on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|They may not threaten the market share, but that is largely down to Microsoft's 'aggressive' marketing tactics. |
No, it's because most people are perfectly happy with the browser, system utilities, network protocols, etc. that come with their operating systems--whether they're using Windows or any other OS.
Fact is, there's no compelling reason for the average computer owner to use Netscape, Opera, and other alternative browsers. Like Outlook Express, Windows Explorer, and Scandisk, IE is plenty good enough for most folks.
| 7:58 am on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I have always enjoyed your comments. Your good nature is evident in the quality of work you do here.
Your cheerfulness and enthusiasm about Opera (as well as other Browsers) have encouraged me, and sold me on the merits of Opera. So much so, that I thought you were the PR man for Opera! And you always gave and honest and balanced review and comparison with the other Browsers.
In Opera Fun you provided insight, information, and resources not to be found anywhere else (even in the Opera pages). I benefited so much from your material that I was tempted to copy it all -- but, i said "No. It will always be here."
I am thus saddened by your decision to discontinue Opera Fun on SearchEngineWorld. And I am asking if you would reconsider. For you are respected for your knowledge and understanding, and your ability to communicate effectively both the negative and the positive. And it is extremely helpful to us to get all the potential out of our Browsers.
I am also excited about you idea of ADDING a Mozilla Fun site as well!
Thank you for your invaluable contributions,
| 9:02 am on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|..it's because most people are perfectly happy with the browser, system utilities, network protocols, etc. that come with their operating systems--whether they're using Windows or any other OS. |
Awwww come on, did you miss some of the recent legal case.
Lets not confuse 'perfectly happy' with 'ignorance is bliss'.
Most Windows users are ignorant of the fact that their are better alternatives, and MS used questionable tactics to make sure it stayed that way.
Microsoft knew that many Windows users are not savvy enough to change their browser from the default. They used strongarm tactics to make sure that PCs were not being sold with alternative browsers present.
If joe public were sold PCs with alternative browsers installed (as used to be the case) then many would choose to dump IE.
I installed Mozilla on my girlfriend's PC. Neither her, nor her 8 year old daughter, wish to change back - and they are non-techy users.
Quote from 8 year old "its quicker and nicer"
Couldn't have put it better myself.
| 10:12 am on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I'm doing some tests now with Opera 7. I will report back when they are done. So far it seems reasonable. Why does everyone dislike the interface? I like the new 3D buttons, though there are too many of them (or the main ones such as Back should be separated or stand out somehow. But at least there's a large HOME button unlike stupid Netscape!)
Speedwise, it seems SLOWER than IE. And not as lightning quick as Opera 6 was. But I need to do further tests.
One thing. Why do links now show up as tooltips? Even email links. It can mess up a menu and cause 'screen litter'. Why change the basic way browsers operate? (no pun intended.) Is Opera the new Microsoft?
| 4:16 pm on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Current pet pieve with the new Opera - I want middle click to open a link in a new tab. I don't want to use Ctrl-click, and I don't want that funky scroll thing that happens when I middle click. Where are they hiding the mouse binding controlls?
| 4:34 pm on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
|Why do links now show up as tooltips? |
Preferences>Accessibility>ToolTips for Links.
|The Subtle Knife|
| 6:17 pm on Jan 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
OPERA 7 IS THE BEST BROWSER OUT THERE FULL STOP.
IF IT WASN'T FOR OPERA I'D GO INSANE AS I WORK WITH THE WEB 24/7. We need a fast reliable browser that is truly cross platform (even PDAs)....
I think people have an open mind and can see alternatives (that's how google got big) or heads basically up Bill Gates A**E.
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