| 2:28 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
It's amazing how blatant they are, make me want to believe in Karma!
| 2:31 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
While I agree, I would probably do the same! :)
If you used my OS and my web mail, then I would do all I could to make sure you used my browser too.
Funny nobody complains that Playstation games don't work on the Gamecube.... ;)
| 3:43 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
So much for Tim Berners-Lee's vision of a web that is browser-independent.
| 3:46 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
MS considers "choice" a very bad concept.
| 6:18 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Maybe we should have let Saddam Hussein launch one missile and made sure it was aimed at Redmond. Those guys are just so blatent.
| 7:24 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
There's a chance that earlier versions of Opera truly did have a problem working with that portion of Hotmail's site. Rather than having it just break when users tried to use the file attach feature, Microsoft added an "if opera" check, so they could pre-empt the problem from occuring, and instead notify the user.
Fast-forward, and now Opera works with this feature, but Microsoft's "if opera" check remains.
A possibility, no?
| 7:27 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
>> A possibility, no? <<
Hmm, a classic F.U.D. response that!
| 8:09 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Is that "Fouled Up Disinformation" (or its stronger variant), or "Fear, Uncertainty, or Doubt"?
| 9:22 pm on Apr 28, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Maybe you would do that but you are also not in court claiming you do not use these kind of tactics to push users away from a competitors product. Seriously, how many average computer users would read that "warning" and click on the button saying 'download IE 6.0' because they were told the browser didnt make hotmail work right? I say a good number.
| 1:09 am on Apr 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
Actually I disagree that Opera users will "upgrade" to IE. I suspect most Opera users are not unsophisticated computer users who had the browser foisted on them. If this tactic were used on Netscape users though, it may be possible that it would lead some to "upgrade". But let's face it, how many people have even heard of Opera? Those who have and use it are definitely not accidental users.
| 1:31 am on Apr 29, 2003 (gmt 0)|
I didn't check out the MS code for evidence of intentional malice, but issues like this come up on many web sites just through oversight and inaccurate browser sniffing methods. It's one of the reasons that the chice of agent spoofing is in Opera in the first place. Also, if you are using Opera not spoofing IE, then certain IE DOM objects will not be reported as existing.
You may find this post about Opera's User Agent Spoofing [webmasterworld.com] relevant - see particularly message 5.
Brett began that thread to share SuperStats response to their own inaccurate browser detection (at the time).
I'm not a Microsoft booster by a long shot. But in all fairness, this particular problem isn't necessarily intentional.