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Fireworks and dreamweaver created pages aren't displaying properly.

 5:48 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hello. I just recently downloaded Opera 6.02 for my mac G4 here at the office. On our site, we have some dhtml menus that Fireworks created and only the text is showing up for them. They should have a bg color and highlite color etc. I also checked the site in icab and the fwmenus didn't even show up. Has anyone else come across this before?

Also, do you test extensively for some of the smaller, open-source browsers?

Thanks ;)



 6:41 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, rulive.

Are you're running Explorer for Mac (shudder)? That's an unbelievably obtuse and non-standards-supporting browser. PC people complain about Netscape 4, and Mac people complain about Explorer 5.

My best advice is to validate that Fireworks generated code first. Use the validators at W3C:

HTML Validator [validator.w3.org]
CSS Validator [jigsaw.w3.org]

If you know you have valid code, you've gone a long way to getting it to work cross-browser. And don't believe that auto-generated code is automatically valid. It very often is not.

Even then, the cross-browser problems you describe may be there. Often you need to settle for making sure the page works and give up on making sure it always looks the same.

For this reason alone I would never make a dHTML menu the only way to navigate a site. And then there's the search engine spiders, which you can think of as reltively dumb browsers. If icab can't deal with the code, there's a good chance Googlebot, Slurp et. al. will also be confounded.

In terms of testing for less widely used browsers, I depend on two things:

1.valid code (as above)
2. pages that work on IE6/pc IE5/mac, NN7/pc, Opera7/pc and Safari/mac

We have a hot thread about the value of validating code going right now that may be of value to you:



 6:58 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi rulive, I believe the problem is at the source : on your pages.

As far as I know Fireworks generated dropdown menus are 100 % JavaScript dependant. Not only more than 15 % of visitors wont surf the site deeper than 1 page but search engine spiders wont index most of the site. So, using Fireworks generated dropdown menus is just like waving byebye 80 % of potential traffic (still better than Flash :) ).

Of course I could be wrong. Check your source code. Do you see the links?

Try to find some DHTML dropdown menus using menu content in <DIV> tags instead of one cloaking all the links in JS.


 7:23 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

It just registered for me that you said Opera 6.02. Lousy js support in version 6.


 9:53 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the replies guys. I think I'm gonna like this place ;)

Tedster: Yes, I'm using IE 5.1.6 on my mac and I must say that it is far superior to NN. Up to this point, I have had no probs with other platforms and browsers so I definitely want to get it working in Opera. I'll go install the latest version on our Windows machine and see how it looks there. I guess 6 is the latest for mac. Even though I know that my audience is going to be browsing with IE on a windows box, I want to challenge myself to get it straight and learn how to write valid code that works in all browsers and devices (even if the 'other' browsers only compromise less than 1% or so of all browsers).

As far as the nav on the site, you can get around without using the drop-downs so I'm not too worried right now. And the robots should get through (and if they don't, we pay to have great rankings on a lot of the engines).

I'll have a look at the thread you listed here. And thanks again.

Macguru: Thanks for the comments. I'm sure I'll be corresponding with you more since you are "Macguru." I can see the links in the code and you can still get around on the site like I mentioned above. So I'm not too worried about the robots yet. Do you know of a way to simulate a robot going through your code?

I'll check around for some <DIV> examples too. Thanks.


 10:37 pm on Jun 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

>>Do you know of a way to simulate a robot going through your code?

Fer sure! [searchengineworld.com]

>>since you are "Macguru."

Does not mean anything...

Just visit the Mac Forum [webmasterworld.com] for Mac webmastering topics. You will find the very top notch Mac developpers there.

Some guys there are just way above my head!

We even have some very discreet computer security genius around. I believe he is 'Mafia Boy' but I am not sure yet.

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