bilalak
msg:1586878 | 6:34 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Mozilla
Open source, stable, fast, Tabbed browsing, Page info, Colored Page source, Page Info/Media/Save As more features
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mat_bastian
msg:1586879 | 6:44 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Firebird...
all the reasons listed above plus its lightwieght. also built in popup blocking.
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Sinner_G
msg:1586880 | 6:49 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Opera All (most) of the above plus much more.
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victor
msg:1586881 | 6:51 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Joint best for me: Mozilla for all the reasons above. Opera for:
speed
pop-up blocking
easy viewing with canned CSS (eg View / Style / Accessibility layout)
access to [wap.google.com...] for wap phone emulation
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havoc
msg:1586882 | 6:53 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Also opera for Slide show mode , mouse gestures and the RW anD FF buttons . I noticed a massive speed increase over IE
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Imaster
msg:1586883 | 7:02 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
IE for me, but I also use netscape & opera to test websites (design & compatibility)
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Duckula
msg:1586884 | 7:15 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
:) A quite flammable topic... I use Mozilla most of the time because of the prefbar; I've tried hacking the konqueror plugins to do exactly the same things, without success yet. But I still use Konqueror a good chunk of the time.
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bachius
msg:1586885 | 7:33 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Opera. No other browser come close in usability. - Easy to customize in all ways
- Open requested pop-up windows only
- Page zoom (no other browsers do this)
- Create your own mouse gestures and keyboard shortcuts
- Best on skinning
- VERY close to full CSS 2.1 support (Opera 7.2 beta)
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MonkeeSage
msg:1586886 | 8:13 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
1. Mozilla Suite, 2. Mozilla Firebird, 3. K-Meleon: First and second, because I'm an XUL programmer (trying to be at least, heh), so I get to have my browser as a sandbox. If I don't like having a button here, or a toolbar there, then it doesn't have to be there. Plus I get to add my own functionality (e.g., I have a 'macros' menu and toolbar with a bunch of javascript stuff that can't be done with regular 'bookmarklets' due to length > INTERNET_MAX_URL_LENGTH). Third, because you can customize the heck out of it with simple text based config files and it uses Gecko for it's rendering component (based on the MFC Embed project), plus it is a bit quicker off the mark due to using 100% native widgets and UI (thus skipping the XML parser until it is needed for external rendering). Gecko in general because of CSS2 support, the JavaScript event model, and local security policies. Jordan
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RobbieD
msg:1586887 | 9:05 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Wow, great guys thanks for all your help. So for more webmaster stuff IE is not the one to go with...
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bilalak
msg:1586888 | 9:22 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
For sure NOT IE remember all the bugs IE has faced lately. It is amazing that a webmaster for a strong site can use IE and disclose all his private passwords to intruders. Most yahoo groups admin are loosing their groups cause of some pitfall in IE.
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Nicu_Alecu
msg:1586889 | 9:29 am on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Well, Opera is my first choice. All the reasons have been listed above. Second choice - Mozilla.
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MonkeeSage
msg:1586890 | 12:12 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
- Page Zoom (no other browser do this) Not natively, perhaps...but that is what JavaScript is for...extending to cover non-native functionality. ;) 'Zoom Layout' bookmarklet (based on Jesse Ruderman's):
javascript:(function() { var factor=prompt('Scaling factor (int or float):','','Scale Page By');if(!factor)return;if(factor.indexOf('.')==-1)factor=parseFloat('1.'+factor); var scale=1,zW=[],zH=[],unitless=/^[0-9.]+$/;function r(N) { var w=N.width,h=N.height;if(unitless.test(w))zW.push([N,w]);if (unitless.test(h))zH.push([N,h]);var C=N.childNodes,j;for(j=0;j<C.length;++j)r(C[j]); } r(document.body);scale*=factor;for(var n in zW)zW[n][0].width=zW[n][1]*scale;for(var n in zH)zH[n][0].height=zH[n][1]*scale; })(); |
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Jordan
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Vermont
msg:1586891 | 12:16 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Mozilla is my preference, but I also use Internet Explorer on occassion - many website designers create web sites that work on IE and never check, or do not bother, to be sure the site works correctly on other browsers.
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RobbieD
msg:1586892 | 12:26 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
| remember all the bugs IE has faced lately. It is amazing that a webmaster for a strong site can use IE and disclose all his private passwords to intruders. |
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How is this possible?
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kyr01
msg:1586893 | 1:25 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Opera for sure: I like the tabbed navigation concept (which is also available in Multizilla, open source). Unfortunately, as most of us, I end up using IE a lot, just for testing pages.
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Visit Thailand
msg:1586894 | 1:28 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Sorry guys and gals but for me IE. So many people being anti-Microsoft they tend to fine the holes faster and hey it works!
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ritch_b
msg:1586895 | 1:29 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Firebird - compact, quick, reliable and pretty secure compared to a certain other offering. It may not have some of the features that the excellent Opera has, but much of that functionality can be duplicated via plug-ins, if you so desire. R.
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korkus2000
msg:1586896 | 1:29 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
I like Opera, but I still use IE. I do so much application development on windows machines that it is just necissary. IE just seems to be the thinest browser on my windows boxes. Opera and the others are to heavy. On my mac I like to use safari.
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drbrain
msg:1586897 | 10:40 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Firebird, because it has pie menus (the RadialContext extension), and the compact menus (the Compact Menu extension) which frees up a whole toolbar. The back/forward/stop/reload buttons are all gone from my toolbar, and the File, Edit, etc are collapsed into a fish. I have the Address bar, the Search bar, and the fish on one toolbar, and bookmarks on the second. Yeah, its all about the pie menus, they're just like gestures, only you get visual feedback!
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juniperwasting
msg:1586898 | 10:48 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Opera first, mainly at work. Firebird next, home use and personal. So this is basically a me too post, oh god.....
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drbrain
msg:1586899 | 10:49 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Visit Thailand: Those of us over in the CSS Forum [webmasterworld.com] are fondly calling IE 'the new NS4'. In short, most of the time IE doesn't work, or at least subtly doesn't work in the most annoying of ways.
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tedster
msg:1586900 | 11:46 pm on Aug 4, 2003 (gmt 0) |
So far no one mentioned Opera's View/ Small screen option. Very sweet, especially with all the small hand-held's coming into their own these days. And many of them have Opera hard-wired right in the chip. Whenever I can, I like to make sure a site looks good for the early adopters of new tech. | ...most of the time IE doesn't work, or at least subtly doesn't work in the most annoying of ways. |
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Amen. Browser support for CSS has been awful from the very beginnings of CSS, slowing down progress. Not too long ago this very forum was headed with the question "Is CSS ready for Prime Time?" And IE has been every bit the cuplrit in slowing things down that NN4 was. Sometimes Microsoft development has a built-in disdain for standards that really infuriates me - especially when they have so much market share that it nearly forces you to support their goofiness.
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bilalak
msg:1586901 | 4:58 am on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0) |
IE has many holes in its ActiveX interface, VBscript engine ...
Also it used to have some bugs in the handling of Security zones, disclose some cookies, iFrame issues, .. Sometimes, they send you a crafted URL that read a cookie for some sites and send it to their own servers.
I am not antiM$ and just blind. I use Windows 2000 and some tools but whever possible or when it is top higher security I tend to use other tools.
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photon
msg:1586902 | 1:13 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0) |
drbrain-- Can you go into a little more detail on the pie menus? I've been using Opera, but downloaded Firebird just last week and am trying to ferret out its cool features. Thanks.
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drbrain
msg:1586903 | 5:43 pm on Aug 5, 2003 (gmt 0) |
If you want more information on pie menus, just google for 'RadialContext'. Pie menus are really easy to use, but not widely used.
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joshie76
msg:1586904 | 10:53 am on Aug 6, 2003 (gmt 0) |
IE has to be the one for me and that's all thanks to one thing: The Google Toolbar - this has to be the single most useful feature in my browser... I use it more than I use the 'Back' button!
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mack
msg:1586905 | 11:27 am on Aug 6, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Use IE, opera, Conqueror, netscape 6 as testing. For surfing I tend to use conquiror a lot although for some resason I have been using netscpe 6 quite a lot lately. I recently tried out an Apple with the Safari broswer. surprized this hasn't been mentioned so far. Mack.
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Web Footed Newbie
msg:1586906 | 11:44 am on Aug 6, 2003 (gmt 0) |
Am I missing something here? Most of the respondents to this thread are using Opera/firebird/mozilla, but 90% or more internet users are using IE. Yeah, I guess the general populace doesn't know any better, but that general populace is my customer! Is it yours? Now, I can understand using a better tool in the toolbox, and in this case, it sounds like opera. From a "purist" standpoint, it sounds as though most webmasters are using opera/mozilla as a better tool. Now, if Opera and Mozilla are so much better, I guess I'll go download them (kind of like going to home depot and buying another tool that I may use). But I still will test my CSS layout in IE and Netcape. I use IE (I guess shame on me), but that's because that is what 94% of my users use (and this is what my logs say). Off to download, WFN:)
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