DrDoc

msg:1582765 | 8:38 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0) |
What is the mid dot called?
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pageoneresults

msg:1582766 | 9:19 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Solution? div.footer ul li{display:inline;padding:0 2px;}
<div class="footer" <ul> <li><a href=""></a></li><li><a href=""></a></li><li><a href=""></a></li> </ul> </div> CSS shortened to illustrate.
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Span

msg:1582767 | 10:28 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| ...breadcrumb trail seperated with » or worse »» imagine having to listen through all that! |
| OMG. One of the sites I maintain has 500 hand coded pages with breadcrumb trails that have up to five left double angle brackets in them. And JAWS seems to leave no user agent string.
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bedlam

msg:1582768 | 5:14 am on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| Solution? div.footer ul li{display:inline;padding:0 2px;} <div class="footer" <ul> <li><a href=""></a></li><li><a href=""></a></li><li><a href=""></a></li> </ul> </div> |
| Best of both worlds: div.footer ul li { display:inline; padding:0 2px 0 10px; background:transparent url(path/to/raquo.gif) no-repeat 0 50%; } -b
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SuzyUK

msg:1582769 | 3:37 pm on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Doc, the mid dot (interpunct) is in that list.. and is usually read as "dot" yes use lists, those natural seperators.. but, what about the <title> element?
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le_gber

msg:1582770 | 11:46 am on Feb 19, 2006 (gmt 0) |
guilty too :o for the right double angled bracket will look into bedlam solution
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pageoneresults

msg:1582771 | 5:35 pm on Feb 19, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| But, what about the <title> element? |
| 12.1.4 Link titles The title attribute may be set for both A and LINK to add information about the nature of a link. This information may be spoken by a user agent, rendered as a tool tip, cause a change in cursor image, etc. |
| Use the title attribute sparingly. I was guilty of misusing the attribute when I first learned of it years ago. I would take the anchor text and use that as the title attribute. Yikes! For someone using a screen reader, that meant an echo wherever the title attributes were. :( One of these days I'm going to think before posting right after I awaken! Sorry Suzy :( P.S. The <title> element is read out loud as soon as you visit the page (whatever is there, is read out loud). I downloaded the CONNECT Outloud (www.freedomscientific.com/fs_products/software_connect.asp) software suggested in another topic and took it for a spin. Definitely an eye opener. It became very annoying, very quickly. And, that was on pages that were designed for accessibility. [edited by: pageoneresults at 6:08 pm (utc) on Feb. 19, 2006]
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DrDoc

msg:1582772 | 5:56 pm on Feb 19, 2006 (gmt 0) |
Suzy was not talking about the title attribute, but rather the <title> tag itself. I think, what she's talking about is page titles like: Home > Products > Jackets > Kids Home :: Artwork :: Photos :: B&W Home » Information » Pricing
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encyclo

msg:1582773 | 6:11 pm on Feb 19, 2006 (gmt 0) |
| what about the <title> element? |
| I consider that the title element is the wrong place to have breadcrumb-like lists. The title should be much more descriptive than that. Borrowing DrDoc's examples, instead of saying: <title>Home > Products > Jackets > Kids</title>
<title>Home :: Artwork :: Photos :: B&W</title>
<title>Home » Information » Pricing</title> How about: <title>Kids Jackets from Example Clothing Co.</title>
<title>Black and white photos by A. Photographer</title>
<title>Pricing Information for Widgets</title> Blog title elements are often the worst offenders here: the title should be the post title, and possibly the branding if really necessary, as in the first example above. Much better usability (and accessibility too), surely?
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DrDoc

msg:1582774 | 6:29 pm on Feb 19, 2006 (gmt 0) |
While I tend to agree with you, encyclo, it is surprising how often you see sites with a breadcrumb trail in the title bar. It is also surprising how seldom it is considered part of accessibility. :)
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