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YPN international?
wmuser




msg:1575979
 12:40 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello Everyone,

I am wondering if YPN is planing to let international webmasters ever join their network?
I guess Adsense is making some decent $$$ from internatinal webmasters

 

garyr_h




msg:1575980
 6:31 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

No one knows. This has been talked about many many times, at least once a week it comes up on this board. But the only person who knows is YahooSarah and she's not telling.

My guess is late 2006, September at the very earliest.

They said last year that Direct Deposit would come in Q2 2006, but now that's unlikely as other things have come to be more important. I'm sure they want all the bugs worked out before it goes international.. and that won't be for a while.

Besides, there aren't the advertisers for Y! International right now. So even if you were able to join... you wouldn't make anything.

wmuser




msg:1575981
 8:58 pm on May 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thats what i heard too about YPN but though someone may have more accurate information

I cant go into details but almost all adevrtisers on my website are from the US and traffic must be converting at least OK for them as they are not excluding my website from their advertising compaigne

morpheus83




msg:1575982
 4:53 pm on May 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes it is really high time now there are a lot of international publishers catering to US audience YPN is missing out a considerable % of share.

Cisko




msg:1575983
 6:22 am on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

And we won’t release the product to the general publishing community until we are able to serve our constituent’s needs well, Said by Willan Johnson, Vice President and General Manager

I believe YPN will go international sometime in 2007.

wmuser




msg:1575984
 9:51 am on May 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

I guess yes not earlier than in 2007

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1575985
 11:28 am on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

[Yes it is really high time now there are a lot of international publishers catering to US audience YPN is missing out a considerable % of share.]

One of our sites focuses 100% on the US. It is hosted in the US. The topic is really only of interest in the US. Yet we are not eligible because we are based in the UK and cannot furnish them with a US Tax ID.

So when Johnson says "until we are able to serve our constituent’s needs" I just wonder who he means by constituents, because certainly in our case it doesn't mean his advertisers.

Although YPN was our first choice (for a variety of reasons), we have now gone elsewhere and will not return. There will be countless others like us. We just couldn't wait any longer for them to sort themselves out.

wyweb




msg:1575986
 2:15 pm on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

What's the big deal LeaveMeAlone? I mean are you getting locked into some lifetime contract with some other ad provider or something? When YPN goes international you apply, you get accepted and you run the ads. What's with this "we will not return" bit? Sounds like spite to me, not the best of ways to make business decisions.

Alex_Miles




msg:1575987
 2:44 pm on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

There will be countless others like us. We just couldn't wait any longer for them to sort themselves out.

Same here. Businesses evolve and change. YPN missed the boat.

You wouldn't have thought a purely online business would have that newbie merchant mentality, would you? International borders have far less to do with online commerce than the language you speak does.

When I started out in online commerce it was as an affiliate. Countless times I was rejected by newbie merchants for 'not being US based' even though 85% of my traffic was US based.

See? Stuck in a brick and mortar mentality! My computer was in 'abroad' my traffic must be stuck there as well.

Not one of those newbie merchants ever amounted to much even when I did get the whole idea of the internet through their thick skulls. First to fail tracking tests, first to be overun with parasites, first to the wall.

A complete and utter lack of imagination. Like an unsuccessful port job from PC to Mac - the intention was there, the execution wasn't.

The maths ain't good on any company still not capitalizing on their potential international customer base. In 1996 it was forgiveable. In 2006 its not.

Its not the implicit racism that makes them a bad business choice, thats annoying, but we are all used to it from US companies now - its the track records of other companies with a similar lack of vision.

There was a window in which to impress me. Its gone, and they are tarred with the same brush as the other losers.

Oh and that was before I found out what Ben Edelman caught them up to.

wmuser




msg:1575988
 6:07 pm on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

LeaveMeAlone
And not only you but there are hundreds of such a webmasters out there but for some reason Yahoo doesnt like International webmasters that much

Google has alsways been a step upfront comparing with Yahoo

Anyway if Tax ID is teh only issue,as far as i know you can apply for the one at IRS even if you are not the US citizen

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1575989
 8:44 pm on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

[" What's the big deal LeaveMeAlone? I mean are you getting locked into some lifetime contract with some other ad provider or something? When YPN goes international you apply, you get accepted and you run the ads. What's with this "we will not return" bit? Sounds like spite to me, not the best of ways to make business decisions."]

Life's too short for spite, but evidently that's what you want to see.

By "will not return" I mean we have moved on. The site in question won't sit around waiting for Yahoo to get real. It will evolve, using fresh models. New content will evolve around that, and it will continue to move forward.

This process is already underway, and we will not attempt to turn the clock back to shoehorn YPN in there when and if they are eventually ready. There are an infinite number of directions out there which will lead to success. YPN seems to be acting like the world is static (as Alex references) and waiting for them.

As I stated, I was disappointed because they would have been a very good fit at this time. But our boat has now left the harbour and they've missed it (as they are clearly missing many others).

wyweb




msg:1575990
 9:57 pm on May 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Life's too short for spite, but evidently that's what you want to see

Nahhh.. I don't want to see anything... just commenting on how rigid and inflexible your statement was.

I'm sure Yahoo will regret losing your business.

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1575991
 11:51 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

["I'm sure Yahoo will regret losing your business."]

There are sad people on every forum... who feel the need to make aggressive and unecessary remarks like this. Hopefully you will grow up sooner rather than later.

wyweb




msg:1575992
 2:55 am on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

And there are people doing business on the internet who apparently fail to realize that the web is a constantly changing landscape and that one of the secrets to continued success is to stay fluid and capable of moving at a moments notice. You're intentionally, emphatically eliminating opportunities before you've even had a chance to test them. "They don't conform to my non-bending schedule so I'll never use them." That's absurd. Rearrange your schedule to accomodate them. Stay flexible. Maintain the ability to implement new changes and exploit new opportunities within minutes if need be. Trust me, you'll get a lot further that way.

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1575993
 12:47 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Contrary to your impression, we do actually know what we are doing. And we do actually have a right to reflect and comment of YPN's bricks and mortar type timescales and attitude (as Alex rerfers to it), without uncalled for hostility.

We have no intention of back tracking to accomodate their less than dynamic approach, as we have already moved on to support a different model: as have countless other major portals.

John Carpenter




msg:1575994
 6:11 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just a few figures:

US
Population: 298 million

European Union
Population: 456 million

Europe
Population: 705 million

Limiting one's business to the US only would seem to me to be a rather short-sighted "business decision". Particularly when you consider that there isn't any real significant difference between the US and the EU (apart from the number of residents).

(And there is also a continent called Asia, where we can find fully developed countries like Japan, etc. Also, see how Google tries to penetrate the market in China -- they know what they're doing.)

martinibuster




msg:1575995
 6:20 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Limiting one's business to the US only would seem to me to be a rather short-sighted "business decision".

Nobody has said that YPN was NOT going to eventually open in Europe. I think the primary concern is to get the targeting right and to integrate it with the technologies being rolled out with Project Panama.

Right now they're adding in some elements of Panama to YSM but it's not the full rollout.

John Carpenter




msg:1575996
 6:33 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Nobody has said that YPN was NOT going to eventually open in Europe

I haven't either. [I expected exactly this kind of response.] Maybe you noticed that I wasn't referring to YPN specifically. I was talking about US-only business models in general (which applies to YPN too). What I wrote holds regardless of what Yahoo is planning to do.

martinibuster




msg:1575997
 6:57 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe you noticed that I wasn't referring to YPN specifically.

Maybe you didn't notice that we are talking about YPN International?

I was talking about US-only business models in general (which applies to YPN too).

Now you're saying that your comment DOES apply to YPN? Which one is it, man?

The topic of this thread is YPN International, that's what is under discussion. If you don't preface your post with a statement that you are digressing, then it's going to be rightfully assumed that your statement is a comment about the specific topic (YPN International).

[edited by: martinibuster at 7:04 pm (utc) on May 9, 2006]

John Carpenter




msg:1575998
 7:04 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe you didn't notice that we are talking about YPN International?

LeaveMeAlone talked about his past experience with US-only business enforced by various entities (not YPN). This was still related to YPN (it was not off-topic), as this kind of general experience can be applied to YPN. I simply continued this broader, general (but still on-topic) discussion.

By the way, Yahoo may still decide not to allow European publishers eventually (no matter what they claim right now). That's also one of the reasons why I posted the EU and European population figures. Hopefully, all US-only zealots (fools/separatists) will wake up someday.

wmuser




msg:1575999
 8:06 pm on May 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

martinibuster,LeaveMeAlone i think everyone are talking exactly about original topic "YPN international" i see nothing offtopic ;)

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1576000
 5:44 pm on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

In actual fact it is probably both general and specific to YPN.

WWW is by nature worldwide (obviously) which is a mega-strength. Those who try to draw maps on it usually end up either losing, or looking stupid, or a combination of both, depending upon the scenario in play. It is not a unique situation.

YPN are already well down that path. This is rather ironic, as those who usually fall into this trap tend to be traditional bricks and mortar type entities. Yahoo should know better, but many would now argue that they have already become 'established' enough to completely lose the fast moving internet plot.

Trying to be diplomatic, I would say that they are way past the point of looking to be an innovative and credible player on the world stage in terms of this particular type of publisher relationship.

A more interesting thread would perhaps be one which examines WHY Yahoo has taken for ever to get itself properly on board what is such a potentially giant revenue stream for them. At a corporate level I would suggest they have failed to deliver.

Rodney




msg:1576001
 10:51 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't see any failures in trying to test the waters with a small control sample (US Publishers) and then once it is out of BETA, work on perfecting it for a worldwide audience.

Sounds like smart business sense.

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1576002
 12:35 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

["I don't see any failures in trying to test the waters with a small control sample (US Publishers) and then once it is out of BETA, work on perfecting it for a worldwide audience.Sounds like smart business sense. "]

You miss the whole point. It's the speed of it son. Victorian bricks and mortar pace versus internet pace.

Of course we have seen it before, many times. How Microsoft must rue not taking search seriously before they did (indeed, the same could apply to the internet itself).

The longer they leave it, the harder it will be. And they have already left it a relative eternity. They'll never catch Google with this now, and every extra day puts them many more days behind.

In my option their complete lack of urgency is a major business blunder.

frox




msg:1576003
 10:04 am on May 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

IMHO YPN is doing a series of catastrohic errors dealing with the "international affair".

1) the delay in accepting international publishers (even with US traffic) is very odd

2) the rather large number of accounts cancelled because of international traffic. Filtering the international traffic is a burden left to webmaster, who must geo-localize their ad system.
Between Yahoo Inc. and Joe Webmaster, who has the larger processing power and know how? Why can't Yahoo simply show "alternate ads" a la Adsense to international users?

3) that fact itself that international taffic has lead to bans instead of warnings. I understand fraudulent clicks must be fought without any hesitation, but international traffic does not sem a capital offence.

4) The "lack of international advertisers" issue is plain ridiculous. If international advertisers use Adwords, why shouldn't they use Overture?
I am running parallel Adwords and Yahoo campaigns (in Italian) and I struggle to get a reasonable number of impressions. Yahoo Gives me about 5% of Google's impressions, and I woud LOVE to get more.

So, after all, I begin seeing a pattern of "extero-phobia" in Yahoo's behaviour. As the owner of several sites (and of the #1 Italian blog on YPN :-) I would love to see YPN international, but I simply start to believe they "have other priorities", i.e. they don't care.

nippi




msg:1576004
 3:45 am on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Its a long test period. Seems very odd. Of course having an exclusionary system is going to result in Yahoo being seen as a typical american country.

Where is Europe anyway? Isn't it somewhere in Mexico? Oh... your from Australia.... isn;t that in England?

nippi




msg:1576005
 3:45 am on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

oops

american company, not american country

nippi




msg:1576006
 3:46 am on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

and i'm sure most people know, America, is not a country.... except if you are american

wmuser




msg:1576007
 9:50 pm on May 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

We are discussing YPN here,not America or politics :)

LeaveMeAlone




msg:1576008
 9:50 am on Jun 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

[1) the delay in accepting international publishers (even with US traffic) is very odd

2) the rather large number of accounts cancelled because of international traffic. Filtering the international traffic is a burden left to webmaster, who must geo-localize their ad system.
Between Yahoo Inc. and Joe Webmaster, who has the larger processing power and know how? Why can't Yahoo simply show "alternate ads" a la Adsense to international users?

Your second point here is excellent, and is one I hadn't considered. It just seems really sloppy, perhaps arrogant, or maybe plain lazy.

Why indeed can't they serve public service ads, or even optionally their own, if a click is from outside their parochial territory? I can see no good reason. To ban folks for overseas clicks is ridiculous.

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