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too much international traffic
alorlious




msg:1576384
 12:15 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I know this was posted before but I wanted to post it again because I never saw the first post. As a regular reader of this forum I should have caught it. I'm writing this post to hopefully help those of you who haven't learned this yet.

I was told by the rep I called that they were unable to disclose the amount of international traffic that is considered to be acceptable. That I should have been using a script to block international traffic.

[edited by: jatar_k at 12:55 am (utc) on Feb. 17, 2006]
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JollyK




msg:1576385
 12:18 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

What the ...? My Yahoo rep told me that THEY (Yahoo) were filtering out non-US traffic, and that I didn't have to worry about it!

Are they not on the same sheet of music over there?

Since they told me that, I haven't bothered filtering or using geotargeting. I know for a fact that my site gets international visitors.

Grr.

JK

sailorjwd




msg:1576386
 12:28 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been waiting for the same email for 4.5 months now.

Why they don't block non-US IPs is absolutely absurd. And, if they are blocking them why cancel accounts?

Why do I have to be a fxyzing PHP expert to advertise with Y!

And, they are the frigging geniuses so why don't they provide some blocking script? There is nothing simple for a plain HTML page to block IPs - at least no one here has given me a clue to a somewhat simple solution.

Ohhh, and another thing, Y! won't tell me if they can block non-US IPs and they won't tell me if/when they really deduct foreign clicks. They won't warn me/you if it is becoming an 'issue' ahead of time.

Sometimes I just want to give someone a good shake.

Back to the pool, and thanks Y!

JollyK




msg:1576387
 12:34 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seriously. I mean, excuse me, but Yahoo has a lot more resources than I do to do geotargeting.

Yeesh.

Just the idea that they would depend on publishers to do this is insane.

Absolutely insane.

On the other hand, it is "beta." :-)

(I still say "Grr," though.)

JK

sailorjwd




msg:1576388
 12:43 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

The only sane conclusion I can come up with is 'foreign clicks' is an excuse to get rid of folks that have other issues - perhaps self clicking (masterclicking) or other TOS violations or abysmal conversions or whatever.

I don't think I have seen any other folks posting here about getting kicked out for any other reason than foreign clicks.

I attempt to reduce foreign clicks via advertising adjustments but the products/services I offer I know are used in every country and the product is in English in every country.

I prey I can hold out till beta is over.

wyweb




msg:1576389
 12:51 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Please note that it is possible that we may welcome you back to the program after the beta period, provided that you take steps to eliminate non-U.S. traffic from clicking on your Yahoo! contextual ads

After it's out of beta why will it even matter? I mean isn't that when they go global?

I've been waiting for the same email for 4.5 months now.

Me too.

My Yahoo rep told me that THEY (Yahoo) were filtering out non-US traffic

A number of people have been told this, in fact I have a copy of an email from a yahoo rep which specifically states that there is no need to block international traffic as it is filtered on their end and adjustments made accordingly.

Oh well. I'm hangin' on till someone throws me off. If it happens - it happens. I sweated an adsense boot for a solid year until I just said to hell with it and got philosophical about it. Same with this.

jomaxx




msg:1576390
 1:44 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Please note that it is possible that we may welcome you back to the program after the beta period, provided that you take steps to eliminate non-U.S. traffic from clicking on your Yahoo! contextual ads.

Good catch. Scary to think that this same situation may prevail after the beta is over.

At some point Google may step in and say that publishers aren't allowed to send their US traffic to Yahoo and international traffic to AdSense. Why should they allow Yahoo to build a business around grabbing all the low-hanging fruit and ignoring the need to support worldwide web traffic?

wyweb




msg:1576391
 2:08 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

At some point Google may step in and say that publishers aren't allowed to send their US traffic to Yahoo and international traffic to AdSense.

Exactly. The majority of YPN publishers who are filtering international traffic are more than likely using adsense to plug the hole. Be interesting to hear what google's thought are on that, eh?

yoyo8




msg:1576392
 3:10 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

The fact is that every single YPN publisher, whether they filter or not, is in violation of the tos.

JollyK




msg:1576393
 4:18 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

The fact is that every single YPN publisher, whether they filter or not, is in violation of the tos.

yoyo8, what do you mean by that? If you filter so that you are only showing YPN ads to US IP addresses, how are you in violation of the TOS? Or do you mean that it's just pretty much impossible to limit to "US-Only" due to proxies, global services like AOL, etc, so even if you do filter you're eventually going to show to non-US people anyway?

JK

yoyo8




msg:1576394
 4:53 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you filter so that you are only showing YPN ads to US IP addresses

This is not technically possible to do.

even if you do filter you're eventually going to show to non-US people anyway?

Yes, we all show ads to non-US visitors. Some show more than others. However, as per the YPN tos, showing just one ad to a non-US visitor means you are in violation of the tos.

alorlious




msg:1576395
 5:21 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo guy: "we realize that you may get some international traffic"

me: "well then what is the allowed ratio of international to domestic traffic?"

Yahoo guy: "I'm sorry but I'm not able to disclose that information"

Thing is, if I had known I would have followed the rules, or at least tried to. I wasn't even trying because I was ignorant. I know that's no excuse though. I just hope they let me back in at some point. Does anyone know if they're still sending invites?

moncho




msg:1576396
 5:27 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

yep, yoyo is right, is technically impossible to filter us traffic 100% so at any time you will be showing a ypn ad to an intl visitor and at this time Y! has the right to ban u.

Y! sucks with this TOS and im preparing to spread the word all over the net with their abusive terms.

yea, u will say i may not join them if i dont like it, but is my right to say what i think of them too on every webmaster forum i currently use.

Y! has the right to write the terms as they want, I have the same right to let other know how they proceed with their publishers

Y! SUCKS!

sirkei




msg:1576397
 6:45 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok, so this thread is up again for filteting international traffic.

I had been working on the geo-targetting thing, phpadsnew, for quite a while and finally gave up.

But i found a code in another forum. If you guys want to try this out, sticky me.

freeflight2




msg:1576398
 7:02 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

you guys are correct: there is no way to determine 100% if an IP is US or!US - none of the geocoders makes that claim and even Yahoo is unable to determine that 100% - IP blocks get assigned and reassigned all the time, some companies also route all of their traffic to gateways in other countries.

yoyo8




msg:1576399
 9:34 am on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I wasn't even trying because I was ignorant.

In a sense we are all ignorant, because every one of us is violating the tos.

yosaid




msg:1576400
 5:35 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I never understood why Google allowed their ads to used as the low-end dump interms of traffic origin.

berto




msg:1576401
 6:39 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

I never understood why Google allowed their ads to used as the low-end dump interms of traffic origin.

With everything else that Google winks at, I doubt they very much care. Traffic is traffic, eyeballs are eyeballs, ad serving is ad serving. What, are foreign visitors second-class web citizens?!

mvander




msg:1576402
 7:46 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, if Yahoo wants us to block int'l clicks, they need to make it VERY clear to us. They should also disclose what percent is okay and what percent will get you booted.

JollyK




msg:1576403
 8:24 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, if Yahoo wants us to block int'l clicks, they need to make it VERY clear to us.

And have their reps STOP telling us that WE don't NEED to! That's what gets me the most: I know that a lot of us KNOW we have int'l traffic, and have asked Yahoo about it in regards to their TOS, and have been told not to worry about it.

Grr.

Did I already say "Grr" in this thread?

Whoops, guess I did. :-)

JK

garyr_h




msg:1576404
 8:56 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

First off, I would never say that UK or Canadian or pretty much any other part of western/central europe is 'second class'. So there is no reason why Google would care if you send ads to them, besides, Google advertisers have the choice to geotarget. They can choose whether or not to show ads to them. Also, advertisers can opt out of a website.

So, we shouldn't worry about that.

What I wish Yahoo would do though, is offer an alternative ad space like what Adsense has. That way, whenever there is someone outside of the US viewing my page, I can easily show them an Adsense ad or something else.

Simply make a box in the ad setup page and then let us enter in a URL.

Even though I do filter out foreign traffic, I'm sure many foreigners still see YPN ads and their clicks don't count.. also I'm sure I filter many Americans when I don't need to.

RS_200_gto




msg:1576405
 11:46 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo better read this book called the World is Flat it is about trend spotting and understanding the globalization of the world and who is becoming and who are the players in the economic world.

SamOwen




msg:1576406
 6:01 am on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

So which is it? Does YPN filter out the international traffic or not. I don't want to get a ban letter out of the blue because of it. Man, I thought the "publisher panic" was over when I stopped using AdSense...

garyr_h




msg:1576407
 6:27 am on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

The answer is yes and no. They filter out the earnings and what not, but they don't like it when you make them filter it.

So the more work you make them do, the more they dislike your account. So if you send too much international traffic, you get banned.

yoyo8




msg:1576408
 9:50 am on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

So if you send too much international traffic, you get banned.

Well, since I'm not a mind reader, what does "too much" mean dear YPN team? Since one page view from international traffic is a tos violation, two page views would be a 100% increase and would seem to be excessive. And since every YPN publisher has sent at least two page views of international traffic using YPN, it seems that all of us may potentially be sending too much international traffic.

SamOwen




msg:1576409
 9:37 pm on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

The answer is yes and no. They filter out the earnings and what not, but they don't like it when you make them filter it.

So the more work you make them do, the more they dislike your account. So if you send too much international traffic, you get banned.

*sighs, man that sucks...
garyr_h




msg:1576410
 10:24 pm on Feb 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

Of course yoyo, it's kind of like them saying 'we reserve the right to ban any account', except different wording.

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