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Can you get ban from Y! if you have some international visitors
security56




msg:1574131
 3:11 am on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,
Just wondering if you can get ban from having international visitors, in my site 20% of the visitors are international. I kindna dont understant Yahoo stand on this issue.
Thanks

 

webnoob




msg:1574132
 3:27 am on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

20% is a lot in my opinion, and yes you can get banned if yahoo believes it is excessive.

garyr_h




msg:1574133
 3:59 am on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

security, there's no point in sending them international visitors anyhow since you don't get paid for it. Use other means to send those visitors non-YPN ads. MaxMind is good or look down the thread a bit and there is someone testing a script.

digicamhelp




msg:1574134
 8:52 am on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Why can you can get banned if yahoo believes it is excessive? thanks.

yosaid




msg:1574135
 2:24 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Obviously if you are a successful US publisher, you will have some international visitors as high as 40 or 50%. We all know the great old United States of America is the center of the universe and the home of the internet. That is just the nature of the game.

YPN looks for abuse and excessive (80%) international visitors which makes the site a NON-US site.

Don't listen to anyone saying 20% is high because I know people who get 50% visitors from Canada and UK who still got paid from YPN.

YPN is above petty politiking.

garyr_h




msg:1574136
 6:13 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

digicamhelp, because their TOS says so. The advertisers are advertising to US customers who want people inside the US to purchase their US products.

webnoob




msg:1574137
 8:35 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Don't listen to anyone saying 20% is high because I know people who get 50% visitors from Canada and UK who still got paid from YPN.

for a U.S site, 20% international traffic is A LOT. i do 10M monthly pageviews, only 5-10% of traffic is foreign.

whether your "friend" is getting special treatment remains to be seen.. he may try to login one day and find out he can no longer..

when the advertisers start complanining they are receiving international traffic you'll see the consequences.

security56




msg:1574138
 9:40 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok next question then wouldn't it make sence just to see those click as invalid instead of kicking some one of the program outright.

Or is it too much trouble for them to just invalidate these clicks, I know the their TOS specifies that program right now is for US sites but what site only get US traffic.

I just dont get the policy it would make sence if they just invalidate the foreign clicks unless I am missing something :)

yosaid




msg:1574139
 9:54 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

webnoop, YOU DON'T GET KICKED OUT FOR HAVING 20% or 30% INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC. SUCH CLAIM IS JUST INSANE.

ksoper78




msg:1574140
 10:11 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am not sure what the exact percentage is, but I talked to a YPN! rep the other day and she said that the ads will show up for International users, but they MAY not give you credit for a click from an International user. She said they reserve the right to kick you out of the program if you have a lot of International users on your site.

My question is why would they care if they are from the U.S. or not? International users are paying people just like U.S. users do. Doesn't make sense to me, but then again, I do not know everything about teh Beta program either.

Anyways, she recommended that I get or make a filter that displays ads to U.S. users while the program is in beta to be safe. I assume YPN! will eventually open this program to everyone (not just U.S. users). There is alot of other coutries out there that will make them money, especially the UK and Canada, among others.

What I recommend to anyone who gets a fair amount of International users is to make a filter that displays YPN! ads to U.S. users and display some other form of advertising to others. Just a suggestion though.

oceankane




msg:1574141
 11:23 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yosaid,

As "insane" as it seems to us as well, that is what has happened to us. I can assure you this is the whole story. There is nothing more to it than being told we had "non US traffic", and it certainly does not exceed 20%, in fact it is much lower than that.

webnoob




msg:1574142
 11:34 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

webnoop, YOU DON'T GET KICKED OUT FOR HAVING 20% or 30% INTERNATIONAL TRAFFIC. SUCH CLAIM IS JUST INSANE.

why are you speculating? go do your own research, and you'll see people have already had their account disabled because of international traffic.

you just want to believe you won't get disabled..

sirkei




msg:1574143
 11:55 pm on Dec 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

OMG, is this for real? I thought they will only deduct the clicks for foreign traffic?

How do i know how to display ads only for foregin traffic? That is quite a hassle if i have to install some script or third party software in my site.

janethuggard




msg:1574144
 5:14 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems odd to me. I checked those ads on our site, and in my nitch, the companys say they ship worldwide. So, why would they want their ad filtered out to not display worldwide?

Some of them rank below me for my keywords, and have for many years. They target the same market I do.

That just means that we don't get paid for it, and may get kicked out of YPN for sending targeted traffic that probably results in sales for these multi-national companys?

I don't understand.

yosaid




msg:1574145
 6:10 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

^^ Did they ban you and where was your bulk traffic coming from?

I think this "ban" talk is more of a fear-mongering by the few who like to keep YPN to themselves. YPN doesn't ban people for having small international traffic. I know because I have friends working for YPN.

This fear-mongering by the greedy few is just insane. If they banned you, maybe your international traffic was huge. Either way YPN doesn't need to start negetive publicity to overshadow its recent successes. It is a big risk for this company to anger publishers by keeping them in the dark of their status for months and then kicking them out. That is just plain dishonesty.

It would be a suicidal move similar to Chitika's "audit" fiasco.

Good luck!

sirkei




msg:1574146
 10:36 am on Dec 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey yosaid,

I hope what you said is true. Has anyone called yahoo before regarding this issue?

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