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Microsoft starts Windows auto-piracy check
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Msg#: 436 posted 4:20 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

PCs using Microsoft's automatic Windows update service will be checked for pirate versions of the operating system from today and dodgy copies will be refused all upgrades except critical security patches.

Users will have the option, in a pop-up box that appears at the start of a scheduled update, to opt out of the validation, but they too will be refused full updates.

Microsoft starts Windows auto-piracy check [pcw.co.uk]

 

ke1th

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Msg#: 436 posted 4:30 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I wonder how long it will take for other software manucfacturers to take micro$oft's lead on this one.

Junanagoh

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Msg#: 436 posted 5:17 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I never cared about their updates anyway :)

(to defend myself, I bought the computer from a friend and never knew it had a pirated copy of windows until I tried to validate it 8 months later.... )

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Msg#: 436 posted 5:31 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

They don't mention whether 'full updates' means security patches...is this the beginning of a world where every single box on earth with a 'dodgy' copy of Windows is now guaranteed to be a spyware and virus-ridden spam zombie..?

-b

travisk

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Msg#: 436 posted 5:33 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Did you miss the part where it said "dodgy copies will be refused all upgrades except critical security patches"

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Msg#: 436 posted 5:42 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes <:-I

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Msg#: 436 posted 5:46 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm... I read some time ago that MS had no way of identifying keygen codes from legit codes because they didn't have a master list.

Kaled.

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Msg#: 436 posted 5:58 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

2004 September 17
Microsoft: Can we check your software license?
[news.zdnet.com...]

I do believe MS was very lenient in the timeframe allotted to upgrade to registered versions of their software.

I know of quite a few people (businesses included) who are now going to have to bite the bullet and purchase the software as opposed to sharing it amongst each other. ;)

Nice find engine!

RWSteele

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Msg#: 436 posted 6:40 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I recently had problems with a product key that came with a refurbished IBM Netvista. It wasn't validating during the install and when I called MS to have it validated, it came back as invalid. DOH!

After calling around and trying to figure out if I got screwed or not, I contacted MS again and this time the product key came back valid. (Sounds like something got jumbled in the translation from English-to-[language of your choice]). To my surprise MS generated a new product key and I thought that was it. Wrong! That key didn't work.

A third phone call was made to MS and the guy I talked to wanted nothing to do with me and told me to call IBM. I finally borrowed an OEM version of XP Pro and the original product key worked, but it failed the online registration. When it was all said and done, XP was installed using the original product key, but registered with MS with the product key they generated.

We can put a man on the moon, but a software company like MS can't keep track of customers and product keys. Is a good thing?

Hanu

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Msg#: 436 posted 6:47 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

We can put a man on the moon, but a software company like MS can't keep track of customers and product keys.
Yes, thank god the lunar lander didn't run XP. We would've lost it to the commies.
stef25

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Msg#: 436 posted 6:56 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

strange, already several months ago when reinstalling windows and adding all the patches i got asked to validate my product key

it was a little prog you had to run. if you failed (my friend's pc did), you couldnt get the updates, if you refused to run the prog, same thing ...

?

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Msg#: 436 posted 9:52 pm on Apr 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

> software company like MS can't keep
> track of customers and product keys.

I'm sure companies like Microsoft don't mind spending the resources to recover additional revenue. But if you take Intuit as an example, they experimented with serial numbers on their product for several years. But for one reason or another, they continued their previous model of uncrippled software. There's a real cost to supporting anti-piracy measures. Intuit reverted, I wonder what Microsoft will do after all is said and done.

gpilling

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Msg#: 436 posted 1:13 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

How did Intuit revert? When I installed my recent QuickBooks Pro 2006 update, I had to type in a nice long serial number.

flex55

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Msg#: 436 posted 6:13 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Isn't there a simple way to buy "second-hand" ms licenses?
For example, in the dot bomb era, I'm sure there were tens of thousands of companies that went under, which simply trashed software licenses they bought. I can clearly see where there would be a "used licenses" market.

Or maybe the license itself forbids you from transferring it to another licensee?

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Msg#: 436 posted 6:36 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

A lot of those companies that went under probably had Volume Licensing programs [microsoft.com] in place. Depending on the individual agreements there may be ways to buy out these licences from 3rd party holders, but I notice a lot of MS agreements that forbid transfer of the software or this agreement to any third party. Be careful and check the licence you're buying.

I do see articles like this: Users turn to second-hand Microsoft licences [theregister.co.uk]
So you can transfer these licences in some circumstances.

venrooy

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Msg#: 436 posted 9:11 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

This would be a great time for another OS to make a run for the title.

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Msg#: 436 posted 10:21 am on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

This would be a great time for another OS to make a run for the title.

If XP can run on an Intel Mac, how long will it take for someone to get OSX to run on a PC?

Kaled.

squirrelteams

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Msg#: 436 posted 12:29 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Why is it everyone forgets where Mr Gates start his pc life from?

and its a bit rich of them claiming they have been pirated when they are still battling the same claim from the REAL makers of their so-called media player...LOL

subway

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Msg#: 436 posted 12:50 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Surely they have more to gain long term buy continuing to spread their operating system across more and more pc's worldwide than attempting to bulldoze people into buying legit copies now, that will do wonders for the competition. Not that software piracy is right but it doesn't make M$ business sense to do this now.

GOOG$ obviously woke up the sleeping giant and has them rattled good and proper.

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Msg#: 436 posted 1:04 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

This would be a great time for another OS to make a run for the title

Which probably explains why Ubuntu is growing so rapidly as a Linux distro...... heck - even G use it....

celerityfm

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Msg#: 436 posted 1:23 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

kaled - OS X is already running on PCs :P - The real trick will be when OS X runs XP programs natively, and the speculation is rampant about whether OS X 10.5 will do so. Is it a coincedence that OS X 10.5 is slated to launch around the same time as Vista?

Will people have a real choice this time?

RWSteele

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Msg#: 436 posted 6:43 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

...I notice a lot of MS agreements that forbid transfer of the software or this agreement to any third party....you can transfer these licences in some circumstances.

Let's say Company X decides to upgrade their desktops which have XP Pro licenses. Company Y buys all the systems, which include with the COA on the side of the case. They're advertised as "Win XP Pro, License Only", yet the Windows Activation fails.

How can company Y advertise or sell the systems with product keys that don't work because they were activated at Company X, yet never tranfered? Who's held responsible or is this part of a "grey area" covered in the bulk license agreement and I'm SOL?

As far as MS is concerned, I could be a janitor at Company X who saw an unused box sitting in a closet and decided to write down the product key. If they don't know who sold what to who and when, how can they know the difference between the janitor who wrote down the a product key and the small business owner who bought a refurbished system with a legit license from a third party?

If MS sells 500 or 1,000 XP Pro licenses you'd think they'd have some sort of record of who they sold them to. You'd think accounting might want to know this, but I'm just a developer, so what do I know.

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Msg#: 436 posted 7:45 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm I suspect MS survive not because they are cleaver but because they can afford to make errors.

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Msg#: 436 posted 9:39 pm on Apr 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Junanagoh for the record there are work arounds. Sucks your bro did that but if you want to update search relevent keywords like
<snip> and throw in the word <snip>.

I may get flamed for this but...

I had to do it. I did not mine from my brother I got it through shady ways...but I only use it for testing my sites in IE otherwise I am all open sores.... source I mean

[edited by: bill at 12:08 am (utc) on April 27, 2006]
[edit reason] This is not the place to help people illegally obtain software [/edit]

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Msg#: 436 posted 12:38 am on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Demaestro, use IEs4Linux for testing your website in Internet Explorer. It allows you to run Internet Explorer using Wine which is the is a free implementation of Windows on Unix.

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Msg#: 436 posted 8:05 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

If they continue such on that update thing and then one day decline to offer even critical security updates,escept that it will has its impact on millions of PCs can you imagine what else can happen?
Those millions of PCs can get infected and become an ideal "tool" in DDOSers hands and many other similar thinsg can happen as well

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Msg#: 436 posted 8:10 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

wmuser... critical updates are still made avaiable to versions that are deemed to be ungenuine by MS for reasons that are obvious and you nailed most of them.

It is the non-critical updates that are not available to "bad" Windows versions.

I think even Gates is worried about the hole that would open if they denied updates to outdated computers running their software that was not secure and they could even be held liable for such action.

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Msg#: 436 posted 8:29 pm on Apr 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Demaestro,sure i meant IF they start denying critical updates as well

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Msg#: 436 posted 2:48 pm on Apr 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

This sounds like MS shooting themsleves in the foot.

1.) A section of the market is now unable to update XP.
2.) That section transfer to Linux.
3.) Linix market share increases.
4.) Greater demand for standard applications on Linux (Dreamweaver, Photoshop etc).
5.) The day when Linux does what the masses need approaches faster than it did.

Well done MS :)
I'm waiting for the day when I can dump XP and and run things like DreamWeaver and Photoshop on Linux.

Elijah

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Msg#: 436 posted 10:54 pm on Apr 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi kapow,

You can use Linux (Ubuntu rocks!) and then use the free VMware Player player to run Windows XP on top of Linux. I've used VMware player to run a Windows image editing program and the speed was decent.

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