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XP SP2 going live this weekend.
Anyone got a handle on what it breaks?
grelmar




msg:1569708
 5:24 pm on Aug 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

SP2 is being released to the public starting this weekend.

Anyone here messed around with it enough to find out what all it breaks? I just want to find out how much the phone is going to be ringing for the next month or so.

 

PatrickDeese




msg:1569709
 5:59 pm on Aug 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

The main thing it stops - in the month that I've been using it - is autodownloading and autoinstalling and all kinds of pop-up windows.

for example if you go to Download.com, and download a program, normally the "file download" dialogue opens.

XP SP2 blocks that and the user has to manually allow the download to happen.

encyclo




msg:1569710
 6:02 pm on Aug 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

See also:

[webmasterworld.com...]
[webmasterworld.com...]

SEOMike




msg:1569711
 5:51 pm on Aug 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

It caused a heck of a problem between my PDA and outlook. Kept popping up a window asking if I wanted to allow access to my outlook email / appointments.

mattglet




msg:1569712
 10:39 pm on Aug 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

It auto-turns on the Windows firewall. I would imagine that port is being accessed during ActiveSync. Check your firewall settings, maybe you can allow access through that port.

Teknorat




msg:1569713
 3:47 am on Aug 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

For those who don't want to use Microsoft:
<snip>

[edited by: Macguru at 2:03 pm (utc) on Aug. 10, 2004]
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operafan




msg:1569714
 5:33 am on Aug 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

How do I actually save those patches onto a CD & install it on other PC's with the same OS?
I've heard it on TechTv but I don't know how to go about it. ANyone? Thanks

Teknorat




msg:1569715
 6:35 am on Aug 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Urm- Copy the files that are on <snip> onto a CD. Easy.

[edited by: Macguru at 2:05 pm (utc) on Aug. 10, 2004]
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trillianjedi




msg:1569716
 11:11 am on Aug 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Network sniffers no longer work under SP2.

Possibly some changes made to Winsock?

TJ

g1smd




msg:1569717
 11:01 pm on Aug 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can order SP2 as a CD for shipping sometime after August 25th...

.. or you can perservere with the 280 MB download yourself (hint: find someone with DSL and a CD writer).

vkaryl




msg:1569718
 1:53 am on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Get a grip.... even if it SEEMS like my life is the pc, NOTHING is such an emergency that I need to try to figure out a 270 mb download! Jeez....

I'll get the cd, and worry about it in February....

Apropos of which, the "IT guy" at work didn't even disable the "background" update in XP - I finally went around and fixed all 70 pcs today.... *sigh*

bcolflesh




msg:1569719
 1:12 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just to clear up a misconception - the 250MB download is the MSDN complete base XP SP2 updater - the one that users will be getting from Windows Update will vary from 80 to 100MB depending on their current patch level. Still huge, but manageable.

The only reports of things "breaking" keep coming from users who don't understand the new firewall setup - almost everything is "off" or closed by default - sniffers (on Windows? LOL) work fine, you'll just have to configure the firewall settings to allow access.

PCInk




msg:1569720
 1:34 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

So when it states that programs will 'break', does this only affect network and internet programs because of the firewall? And can the MS firewall still be turned off (so an alternative can be installed, for example)?

bcolflesh




msg:1569721
 2:02 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

[microsoft.com...]

<edit>
You can turn it off and install anything you want - many users report that it recognizes existing mainstream firewall installs and doesn't initialize itself in that case.
</edit>

encyclo




msg:1569722
 1:46 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

A very interesting article: Redmond's Salvation [securityfocus.com]

My point is to bring to your attention the vast improvements that (Windows XP Service Pack 2) offers, even in the face of some continued bad press ... you should take a serious look at what benefits your company can gain from its deployment.

bcolflesh




msg:1569723
 8:09 pm on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Functionality Changes list from MS:

[microsoft.com...]

Re: the scanner not working comment, you'll see incomplete packets via raw sockets is disabled, effectively killing nmap until they fix it to not use raw sockets, which it used to do in old iterations.

Good (and prescient) article about raw sockets in XP:

[grc.com...]

encyclo




msg:1569724
 12:09 pm on Aug 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

A list of programs which break with XP Service Pack 2 [support.microsoft.com]

Oh, no, "Star Trek StarFleet Command III 1.0" stops working properly! Actually, more seriously, so do Microsoft Visual Studio .NET and SQL (in certain circumstances).

Mostly, it seems, it is simply a firewall issue, and you can solve most problems by opening the appropriate ports to allow the programs to communicate properly.

Macro




msg:1569725
 12:12 pm on Aug 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

XP SP2 going live this weekend.

Doesn't look like it was last weekend... or even next weekend: [theinquirer.net...]

I'll never understand why people jump into new operating systems before SP1 is released.

I'll never understand why people volunteer themselves as early adopters of patches and updates.

I'll never understand why humans are so preoccupied with becoming guinea pigs.

::: shaking head :::

grelmar




msg:1569726
 5:15 pm on Aug 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Heh, I was gonna post a link to that knowledge base article last night, but didn't want to give the thread an unneccessary bump.

Yah, some of the most frightening program "breaks" are SQL, a couple of versions of symantec anti-virus (that made me laugh - a security update breaking your anti-virus solution), ColdFusion MX Server (does anyone actually use coldfusion?)...

And on and on.

Some of the generalized "update might break this type of program" are kinda interesting, namely FTP Clients and the ominously vague:

New mail notifications in some e-mail programs

What do you want to bet the Outlook will work fine and T-Bird and other non-MS e-mail clients will break? Any bets?

GaryK




msg:1569727
 5:43 pm on Aug 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

New mail notifications in some e-mail programs

All MS meant was if you're using an e-mail client to connect to Exchange Server, for example, the firewall will prevent the notification of new mail from getting through unless you tell the firewall to let it through.

In almost every case the list of programs [support.microsoft.com] that don't function immediately after installing SP2 can be corrected with a simple firewall adjustment.

Hester




msg:1569728
 2:12 pm on Sep 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've noticed a couple of things since installing SP2 this morning.

1. It appeared to add a button to the Links toolbar in Windows Explorer! This takes you to a Microsoft page of products. Who knows what else has been added behind the scenes? It certainly installed a lot of files.

2. The pop-up blocker Information Bar doesn't appear if you have "Automatic prompting for ActiveX controls" disabled in your IE6 security settings.

The settings also appear to determine what you see. On one PC, the user may see an option to allow pop-ups for that site, but I just get a line that says "Your security settings do not allow Web sites to use ActiveX controls installed on your computer. This page may not display correctly. Click here for options...". (The only option given is the help one.) And yet I just turned ActiveX back on to test the site...

I'm sure there's much more fun to be found yet! :)

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