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Msg#: 405 posted 7:55 pm on May 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

How many of you use a backup power supply at your home office? Mine just saved my butt again! We have lots of new construction taking place around our complex so the power seems to get interrupted every now and then. My backup power supply has saved me at least 3 times in the last 30 days.

Are you prepared for a power outage?

 

carguy84

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Msg#: 405 posted 2:54 am on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

At my house I run them on all my PCs and servers. At work, just the servers.

I'm a compulsive Ctrl S'er, so I don't feel the need to run one at work too.
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Msg#: 405 posted 9:11 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I buy up UPSs on sale, they are well worth it!

A momentary glitch that would hold up a line of customers with 10 minutes of restarting doesn't even faze us. Also, it really wows the customers to see the equipment running smoothly when the rest of the city goes dark.
Be sure to test the capacity before you need it. A CRT monitor almost needs its own UPS. Also, don't neglect things like modem/router, which I often have in a different location than the computers themselves. A separate UPS for the credit card terminal, register, and other office essentials keeps those going too.
Important caveat: Laser printers usually overwhelm a UPS once out of standby. Test everything before you *need* it!
-Automan

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Msg#: 405 posted 9:58 pm on May 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a rack-mounted UPS with additional external rack-mounted battery pack. I bought it a few years ago during the California energy crisis. My business partner at the time got a Honda generator in addition to a UPS. (We were doing automated stock trading - I was doing software development and he was doing the trading. He had more of a need for uninterrupted power.)

He did use the Honda generator once. They lost power to his neighborhood due to a construction accident. The neighbor across the street noticed the generator running, and asked if he could plug into it to stir paint with an electric drill. I had to explain to him later that small generators aren't intended to run inductive loads...

I'd avoid cheapie UPSs. They typically have only enough backup time to save your work and shut down. And they can be glitchy. Look for one with a sine-wave output. What you don't need is "on line". An "on line" UPS runs your equipment off the battery at all times. The conversion in inefficient, though, and you will use 20-50% more power. Good UPSs will switch from line to inverter power in less than 1mSec, and have sufficient reactive storage to bridge much more than the 1mSec.

aspdaddy

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Msg#: 405 posted 10:35 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I bough a rackmount 3000VA unit for two servers, router and switch. I also put 1 redundant power supply in each server for failover.

How many of you are confident enough with the config topull the plug out and test it :)

jtara

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Msg#: 405 posted 9:42 pm on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also put 1 redundant power supply in each server for failover

You can get an additional mode of failure protection "for free" when using redundant power supplies. In most cases, each of the redundant power supplies has a seperate AC connector coming in.

In a good data center, you have two power sources coming into your cabinet - they should be run off of seperate UPS's and/or seperate AC supplies to the building.

Wire each power supply in your redundant servers to the seperate power sources.

There are also distribution panels that will do this for you in the case of servers or other equipment that have only a single power supply. You run two power sources into the distribution panel, and one power line comes out. It switches over automatically if power is lost from one of the sources.

Most good UPS's self-test, so you don't get any choice. Mine "pulls the plug" for a few seconds once a day.

The chicken's way out is to put your machine(s) on the BIOS setup screen and pull the plug.

aspdaddy

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Msg#: 405 posted 3:42 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

>Most good UPS's self-test,

Most of the Good UPS software is not really approrpraite for hardened web servers. I'v had a long standing problem with a major vendor who has put so much junk in the UPS software it requires IIS, Java and outbound http just to work!

In an ideal world I'd have separate UPS for each power supply, but its all down to cost. The 2 power suplies per server gives failover if one blows, but yeah they are both on one UPS.

jtara

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Msg#: 405 posted 4:55 pm on May 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

they should be run off of seperate UPS's and/or seperate AC supplies to the building.

Let me clarify what I meant here.

A good data center should provide UPS-backed power to your cabinet. The best ones will provide redundant power to your cabinet - two power feeds, each run off of a seperate UPS and, often, run from seperate power feeds into the building from seperate transformers. You should also check on the existence of a generator, generator capacity, and configuration (are there also redundant generators? This is probably much less common.)

If you need to supply your own UPS, then I agree that two of them would be overkill. For one thing, you probably would have no Internet connectivity in case of power loss, if the facility lacks UPS backup. (Though in some cases they might backup their own equipment, but not customer equipment.) So, your UPS would serve mainly to get your equipment shut-down cleanly in case of a loss of power.

Anyway, what I was suggesting is that IF your data center supplies redundant power, and you have redundant power supplies, make sure to take advantage of the redundant power, by plugging the power supplies into seperate supply rails.

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