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When can I start monetizing without ads?

 7:00 pm on Jan 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Here are some stats which probably would be helpful for my question:

I have about 800 member signups with 11,600 posts, with an average of 10 members on at the same time, minimum 4 and max 20. About 5-10 signups a day. About 50-150 posts a day.

I also get a daily of 800-1000 visits a day, and about 30% of the visitors bookmark (according to AWstats).


My question is, when can I start monetizing (no ads). Ads are a complete failure on my forum. However my forum is a complete success regarding activity and interest. I probably can sell classical music and sheet music, but I am not sure when I should start doing this. Ex. when did YOU start selling products, how many members did you have?

Also, how/where do I get permission to sell sheet music and mp3's? It would all be public domain stuff, but again, these items would be copyrighted.



 1:00 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, the phrase "It would all be public domain stuff, but again, these items would be copyrighted." is an oxymoron.

If it's in the public domain, then it's no longer copyrighted, that's what public domain means. The copyright holder relinquishes all rights by releasing it as "public domain".

So, if you are simply providing true public domain works (old classical music, for example - which, btw, is the reason it's often hold music; No Royalties), then you don't need any permission.

Now, just because a recording may be of a public domain non-copyrighted tune, that does not mean the recording itself is not copyrighted.

If the London Symphony Orchestra released a CD of Mozart's greatest hits tomorrow, those recordings of those pieces would be copyright - while the original score would not.

Btw, can you define "complete failure" a lil better? (and no, I'm not talking Google bombs, heh)


 5:54 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Monetizing by "selling stuff" may be a tall order. Consider targeted affiliate programs where you can get a share of the sale but not have to worry about inventory, fulfillment, customer service problems, etc.

Check out aggregators like Commission Junction to look for relevant offers. Perhaps you'll find music-related vendors that will fit your topic.

The plus of the affiliate program is that starting small is no problem, and the labor involved is minimal. If you hit volume levels that would support your own store, you can always start it then.


 9:29 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ok thanks, I will look into different affiliate programs.

Yes I realize that about public domain works. Maybe I should have worded it better.

Anyway, by complete failure, I make maybe 90 bucks a month with adsense. But my forum is not a failure, so keep that in mind.

I'd like to sell, but your right, I should start out small first, then work my way up.


 5:55 pm on Jan 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

90 a month on AS for your stats is quite good; I earn around 120 a month on my forum site with 6-7K sessions/day.


 2:19 pm on Jan 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

>> I earn around 120 a month on my forum site with 6-7K sessions/day.

You might want to spend some time in the Adsense forum here to optimize your placement, etc. ;)

One of the better ideas for improving forum ad CTR we've had here is rotating the ads with content like trivia questions, etc. It cuts down on the exposures dramatically, but can boost not just CTR but total clicks/revenue.

Of course, on many forums, ad placement is a balancing act - too much of a commercial feel, and the sense of community diminishes.


 1:15 am on Feb 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

Affiliate programs are definitely the way to go. Check out some of the affiliate networks for products that suit your target audience.

To maintain your credibiulity you should ensure you've tried and tested the product first though.

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