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Annoying forum spammers
georgiek50




msg:1562550
 10:33 pm on Sep 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok, has there been some new algo tweak in Google to make people think that signing up in user forums for the sole reason of posting your website in your user profile will increase your SERPS?!

I have this one person (who I delete every day) sign up under 5-6 different user names...the funny thing is that there is no way I contact him/her because the e-mail keeps bouncing back...

The websites he promotes are affiliate scum sites w/ no contact option as well...

So frustrated, I wish I had hacking skills...well just getting things off my chest.

 

kodaks




msg:1562551
 11:29 pm on Sep 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why don't you simply block his IP?

georgiek50




msg:1562552
 12:08 am on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think that would help much since it is most likely a dynamic IP...

kodaks




msg:1562553
 12:29 am on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

What type of forum software are you using? (like phpbb or invision)

georgiek50




msg:1562554
 1:29 am on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, I phpbb...I know, I could set it up so that only the moderators can authorize a user but it is not convenient because there are times when people need to post a question immediatelly and I am not available 24/7 to take care of this. I have it set up so that there is a confirmation mail sent w/ the 'click the link to complete your account'...this person keeps on signing up for hotmail accounts.

But the funny thing is, is that (unless I'm mistaken) a link doesn't count in Google when it is an image link right? And the profile in phpbb forums have a WWW button for a person's website. So essentially, this nimrod is wasting both his time as well as mine.

skunker




msg:1562555
 2:27 am on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I got the same thing going on in my phpbb forum, what can i do?

georgiek50




msg:1562556
 3:38 am on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can you PM the website your annoying user is promoting? It's quite likely that it is the same guy.

buksida




msg:1562557
 10:45 am on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I get this also although its usually random ones. I think the theory is that their website will be seen when googlebot spiders the memberlist page. Easy enough to stop that with robots.txt but that doesnt prevent the scum I know.

georgiek50




msg:1562558
 1:19 pm on Sep 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Right, but unless I'm mistaken, the links don't count in Google since they are image links and not text links.

rogerd




msg:1562559
 3:14 am on Sep 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't know if phpbb scans profile urls with a swear filter, but one way to defeat persistent spammers is to add their domain name to your swear filter. It will work in forum posts, at least.

If the swear filter won't work, it would probably be a simple hack to look for your spammer's domain(s) and replace them with some other text.

grelmar




msg:1562560
 6:30 am on Sep 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anything similar to what happened to me as in this thread [webmasterworld.com]?

We finally beat the whole problem by doing two things:

1. Guest posting got completely eliminated (eventually)

2. We used a phpBB hack so that you have to type in one of thos graphically rendered codes before creating an account. This effectively eliminated Bot sign-ups, which is most likely what's happening to you.

And as for BBS urls and SERPS, who knows? The board it happened to with me has a main page PR5, and many of the inner pages float between PR3 to PR4, so having your URL show up on those pages might do it some good. In theory, Google and other engines screen against this. But In Theory, Google and other Engines do a lot of things that in practice we know they don't.

Marketing Guy




msg:1562561
 2:30 pm on Sep 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you add an unique part of his URL to the swear word filter, it will screw it up automatically (profiles n all I believe). Then he'll probably stop.

For example; www.randombluewidgets.com

Filter mblu to come out as ****. Chances of someone else saying something with those 4 letters.....

Never tried it with PhPbb - I guess it will work. :)

EDIT: Hmm how I missed Roger's post I do not know! Just ignore me! :P

Scott

isitreal




msg:1562562
 10:11 pm on Sep 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm having the same problem, it's an automated bot, I removed the www field in the sign up page, and the signups keep coming, it's always different websites, email addresses.

I also placed the memberslist page in my banned pages on robots.txt to make sure no bad site penalty might hit me before I deleted the member.

PHPBB has a pretty serious bug in it that allows a user to signup, with email confirmation, and adds the user profile to the members page even if they don't finish the email confirmation.

To actually stop this you have to go in and change the www field name in the form, change it in the programming of the site, then the bot won't know what to look for I think, and also delete the www field.

This is definitely a should fix for phpbb at least, members shouldn't be listed until after the email confirm is processed.

google follows image based links fine, it just doesn't give you the link text value you normally gets.

most of the first ones I got were russians, this is obviously a sleazy SEO outfit, link builder campaigns, the best thing you can do is ban members page from search engine spiders, if enough people do that, it won't be worth their while to even set up the automated process.

georgiek50




msg:1562563
 1:19 am on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

True, banning the memerlist page is good start. What line of code needs to go into the robots.txt for that? (sorry my mind is working too great tonight)

isitreal




msg:1562564
 2:04 am on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

this is a good start:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /forums/post-
Disallow: /forums/posting
Disallow: /forums/search
Disallow: /forums/updates-topic
Disallow: /forums/stop-updates-topic
Disallow: /forums/ptopic
Disallow: /forums/ntopic
Disallow: /forums/profile.php
Disallow: /forums/groupcp
Disallow: /forums/login
Disallow: /forums/privmsg
Disallow: /forums/memberlist.php

georgiek50




msg:1562565
 2:50 am on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Great, thanks.

isitreal




msg:1562566
 3:59 pm on Sep 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

The real problem I'm seeing with this recent spamming is two part:

1. It's standard SEO junk, link building. This is taken care of by the robots.txt in terms of possible bad neighborhood penalties.

2. This one is much worse, I believe that some of the sites being linked to are in fact malicious websites, designed to install malware on visitors pcs. So the idea is to add these websites to the memberlist pages, and have people click on the links to check them out.

The spamming I'm seeing falls about 50-50% into category 1 or 2. My suspicion is that lists of phpbb and other boards are being bought and sold just like spam email lists are being bought and sold.

I'm not running phpbb 2.0.10, so I don't know if the bug with adding a user before email confirmation happens has been fixed yet, can anyone confirm this, if it hasn't this issue needs to be addressed by the phpbb community fairly soon, this is a potentially serious problem.

I could obviously solve it by simply changing the field name and then do a mod on the programming, I'll also see if I can find where if the IP's are related, but I really hate going through logfiles to find the IP, another option is to add a mod that will email me the user IP address when they sign up, not too complex I think to do, but a pain.

vabtz




msg:1562567
 6:03 pm on Sep 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I killed this by writing a mod to filter out links to bad sites. The bad language filter is not enough.

Ban the IP for good measure. Also I wrote a mod to check reverse dns black hole lists of open proxies and block users. If you would like it sticky me.

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