| 11:03 pm on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Here are several of the things that I have beening doing to up my pagerank:
* No outbound links from my homepage, that way all earned page rank is devided amoung subpages in my site.
* use google and search for "add url" + "your key word" I used the "key words" chef, recipe, recipes, cooking, ect ....
* Try submitting valuable content to other sites in your theme. Example: I searched on google for "submit recipe" and "submit a recipe" and them went ahead and submitted a bunch of my recipes to about 25 websites. Two months later I have seen about 20 some pages or "recipes" added to various sites within my theme. This will work for articles and such.
* Make sure you listed at all the directories: ODP, Yahoo, Galaxy, ect ...
On a side note I just submitted my site to a second catagory at ODP and think I will make it in, "newsletters in your catagory". If you publish a newsletter check to see if there is a catagory for your theme and ask for a link to your home page. Make sure to heavely promote your newsletter from your homepage of course. If you use a free service link topica or yahoo groups you can ask for the link to point to the page on yahoo or topica that listed your newsletter, this page also contains "your link" and the pagerank will flow through.
* Set up a "links page" but call it something else. Make sure to structure the page within your site as to not give away too much pagerank and exchange links with other sites. Look for sites with "links pages" with high pagrank but few links, these are the real winners ;-)
Right now my pagerank is 5 although about three months ago I was a 6. Since that time I switched to my own domain and losted a bunch of links (which I have since got back). I have worked hard over the last 60 days at building links to my own domain name. I just got listed at yahoo (for free even) and that should help as well although that won't be in this next google update.
Hope my ideas help,
| 11:13 pm on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)|
how would you expect anyone to exchange links with you if you do this???
also PR aside i think outbound on theme links can help your ranking
- just my opinion.
| 11:36 pm on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Every morning and every night I do things that make me get more hits. I stay away from SPAM, i know some people that hack other webservers and place links to themselfs on the webpages. I don't recommend that couz it is illegal. I just talk to webmasters, build up a relationship with them then tell them I have a site and we swap some links ya know?
| 11:43 pm on May 17, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I agree with outbound linking. I am not convinced at this point that outbound linking hurts you. Google has stated they want people off of Google as soon as possible. for this reason alone I am convinced a site that keeps the user from 'clicking' the back button is a positive....even if it means outbound links.
In short outbound links may be GOOD if you are lacking in content. BUT they may be good anyway...
Just my theory.
| 12:03 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
> for all the outward links of your site
> 2) Limits the number of outward links in your important
> pages like the homepage)
> 3) In your outward links pages, add internal links
4) Stop watching that green line on the toolbar, and try to focus on your site's content.
(Just my opinion).
| 12:05 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Welcome to WebmasterWorld PageRankHunter
Here is a recent thread on GB and JS links
>>I am not convinced at this point that outbound linking hurts you.
Outbound links reduce the overall PR available to be passed on to other pages within your site, so they do in fact have a negative effect. (If your ultimate goal is to keep as much of your earned PR as possible)
| 12:42 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
What's the problem if you donate a bit of page rank to the sites you link to? The descriptions you write for those links can be a great opportunity to cook up some tasty spider food.
| 12:52 am on May 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>>What's the problem if you donate a bit of page rank to the sites you link to?
It's not a problem as long as you don't have a problem with the fact that the PR you are giving away is PR that could be going to other important pages within your site.
If you have plenty of PR coming in, it realy isn't much of an issue, but is you have a newer site that is just begininng to climb the PR ladder, then you might want to take a more conservative approach to your linking structures in order to get the maximum benefit.
| 7:54 am on May 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
If you add a new page to your site, ask yourself the question: "is it so good, that it will be rewarded with an inbound external link?.
Many of those pages could be pages that will not get you business as such, but will be so informative that they will get a lot of links. That inherited PR should then be linked back to the relevant pages within your site.
I have yet to see a penalty for calling one of your pages a "links" page. (i have done so myself).
The penalties imposed would have to do with link farming in my opinion.
PageRankHunter, becoming a pagerank donater will in certain cases help you:
- On a large site some of your pages will not have such an immense pagerank that you should be scared to share some out. The added benefit of actually helping out searchers to sources of your page and other related information will probalby land you a link towards that page that will outweigh the spreading the external links.
- The sites you link to could see you link in their stats, be impressed and thankful with your site and link back.
- I think, but am not sure, that Google gives your page a ranking benefit if anchortext's on your page contain (part) of the search phrase. It could (and maybe should) be the case that an external anchortext link counts more than an internal one.
- Brett once pointed out that linking towards others will benefit you sooner or later. (topic/them related grouping - Teoma - Wisenut - Google's categorisation version in pre-alpha etc).
| 9:34 am on May 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Greetings PageRankHunter :)
Two and a half years ago (I think before PR¿) I set up a site for a client. A year ago I left them with it. In january I set up a new site for a competitor.
The new site is doing very well, it comes second in the lists to the old one :(
Jeez I was good then....LOL
The oldie has better PR too!
The new site is better layed out, etc, etc, but I'm finding that a successful site is a matter of time as much as anything. (and good html use, of course)
| 10:32 am on May 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Very interesting topic. I'm working on a site now that's got several outbound links on each and every page in the site - a minimum of 5 or 6 on each, and many, many on the links page. And ten outbound links on the main page. It's PR5 with many inbound good links and the internal pages are PR4. That'll be changing.
But aside from Google, a bit off-topic but something else to consider - other search engines. I've just been checking FAST, and on one site of my own (which does just fine with Google), the ONLY page on the site doing half-way decent with FAST is the only one on the site that has outbound links, about 10 of them. And the phrase it's ranking there for is used on the page, and is related to several of the sites linked out to, so it's in link text. I've seen this happen before, a while back.
In re-thinking internal and outbound linking, I'll consider the context of the pages the outbound links are located on in relation to the sites they're linking to, including the link text I use - which actually increases relevancy to the user imho (or am I kidding myself?). I'll make sure the outbound links are on pages that relate to the sites they're linking to, so even though PR is going out, there's some type of value staying on the site - like relevant content.
I've never liked doing links at all, and have always been very mingy with them, which I'm now glad for since so far I've managed to stay out of trouble. But there's more to consider than just Page Rank. It may be the most important thing, but it's not the whole picture. I still won't exchange links strictly for PR, I'm looking for some that actually add value by adding them to sites.
I have to admit I hate the whole links thing, I'd rather just put together small sites and never bother with any links at all, unless it's specifically a resource type site. So the thought of limiting them is actually comforting to me, not just for keeping PR.
| 2:01 pm on May 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
<<It's not a problem as long as you don't have a problem with the fact that the PR you are giving away is PR that could be going to other important pages within your site. >>
True, but the link itself adds content and gives the search engines more to work with when evaluating your site.
Marcia said it best:
<<so even though PR is going out, there's some type of value staying on the site - like relevant content. >>
An understanding of how PR flows within one's own site is one thing, but Page Rank Parsimony is a mindset that will hold you back in the long run.
| 8:11 pm on May 20, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Thank you to all of you who played the game I began... especiallay you, Chef_Brian, who could be a great PageRank Hunter :-)
Why do you say that one shouldn't name the links page "links"?
| 1:26 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Short term, maybe; but in the long term, it could spell huge problems. I think Topic Sensitive PageRank is almost inevitable. When that occurs, your outbound links will define you.
>links in your important pages (like the homepage)
Agreed to a degree. Homepage is certainly true.
>3) In your outward links pages, add internal links
As WG points out, it's a "push" and a double whammy. You are losing twice there.
Biggest thing you can do to 'bag some pr dude', is go quality link hunting.
| 1:58 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I created a community website and let people add thier sites foc then let the site build to a nice pr5 (still hope for the pr6)then using asp to deliver the foc sites I linked to the sites i was promoting (usally gain about 50 - 60 links to them and lift thier pr's by
+2 even plus +3)
| 2:45 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
<<It could (and maybe should) be the case that an external anchortext link counts more than an internal one.>>
In the last update Google listed one of our web targeting 2 very hard keywords. It did't had a good rank in the list, but it archieved a 2nd position with 2 not so hard keywords that only was in 2 external anchortext links. And they are not too easy keywords.
| 3:18 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
use them...if they are relevant and to sites with a moderate or good page rank...and especially if they link to other pages of your site
stay relevant...go for quality not quantity
erm...two page rank 6s and a 7 actually :)
| 3:44 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Of course, folks never know when we're going to adjust our scoring. It's pretty easy to spot domains that are hoarding PageRank; that can be just another factor in scoring. If you work really hard to boost your authority-like score while trying to minimize your hub-like score, that sets your site apart from most domains. Just something to bear in mind..
| 3:54 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Let me clarify that last post a smidge. You can try all sorts of stuff to "conserve PageRank," but that's no guarantee that something will work, or that it will work in the future. I think Giacomo's advice was the best of all: "Stop watching that green line on the toolbar, and try to focus on your site's content." If you spend your time making a great site that attracts and keeps users, the rankings in Google will follow. Time spent improving and adding content to your site is maybe the best payoff.
| 4:04 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I like that post :)
I believe in the theme aspect of links and do not believe they will hurt you one bit and will actually help you (especially text links). If for instance your site was about cats and you had a link that stated "Visit Cats.com" this could only help by adding to your theme and keyword density of cats.
| 4:38 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>>If you work really hard to boost your authority-like score while trying to minimize your hub-like score, that sets your site apart from most domains.
GoogleGuy, let's put it this way. If your wife collects chickens and you're shopping for chicken appliance covers for her, how enhancing to the shopping experience will it be to find banner exchanges on the page for the 100 top crafts sites (by click-votes) or candles or soap? Or a contest site or WAHM link partners? It's out of context, slows load time, and imho is downright irritating. It's more than just losing page rank, it's losing relevancy. With a kazillion link exchange banners on a homepage or product page, it might get link traffic (which may or may not be targeted) but most likely will lose potential customers.
My logic, which of course could be wrong, says it's better to put those on one relevant page for those who might be interested in visiting those other type of sites. That keeps the in and out balance the same without diluting the value of the site's pages and being annoying to boot.
Aside from PR, neither does it seem to make sense to have navigation on every page of a site linking to every other page on a large site - like the links or shipping policy. Especially with graphical links, again - the pages are slowed down for no reason.
buckworks, it's not altogether altruistic. If there's a site selling socks that has a page done up linking to sites selling shoes, if it pulls in traffic for people looking for shoes, they will find info on shoes, but they may just stay and buy some socks while they're there. But it's still consistent and at least close enough to theme.
To hunt down links for Page Rank + other value, doesn't it make sense to find link exchanges that way - non-competing but related? But they don't need to be sprinkled all over the site, I can't see the sense in that.
| 5:00 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
"it's not altogether altruistic."
Exactly. A well-chosen outbound link is more like an investment than a donation.
That assumes, of course, that you haven't unwittingly linked to a "bad neighborhood" ...
| 5:06 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>haven't unwittingly linked to a "bad neighborhood" ...
'Course not, I check their Page Rank. ;)
| 5:13 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
|If you work really hard to boost your authority-like score while trying to minimize your hub-like score, that sets your site apart from most domains. Just something to bear in mind.. |
Thank you GG. So I’ve not been so far off with my theory about ‘participating in the web’. I could tell even two years ago that Google appeared to ‘reward’ if that’s the right word, sites that let information flow in and flow out. All this talk about closing circles has always bothered me. We still need a bit more input on the crosslinking or interlinking issues but I’m ok with this bit of info for the day.
It only makes sense and that’s something I’ve liked about Google from the beginning is the logic behind it.
| 5:19 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I'm on a Mac and can't check Page Rank.
I make my links in blissful ignorance of PR issues.
| 6:04 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
interesting from GG. Don't pay too much attention to the toolbar.
Well i would pay less attention if:
1) we weren't encouraged to use the toolbar in the first place (i'm not saying its not a useful tool.., just that google promoted it as a useful tool especially the PR bar)
2) google hadn't set up PR as their main constituting search ranking feature.
3) google hadn't PENALISED links and PR, creating a climate of fear ripe for PR conservation in the first place.
so, this is another contradiction from google. on the one hand, "pr is great, its the main feature of google" etc etc, on the other hand, "please take it with a pinch of salt."
| 6:08 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>I think Giacomo's advice was the best of all: "Stop watching that green line on the toolbar, and try to focus on your site's content."<
You do realize that if we all did that Google would cease to be the number one topic on this forum. :)
>I've just been checking FAST, and on one site of my own (which does just fine with Google), the ONLY page on the site doing half-way decent with FAST is the only one on the site that has outbound links<
I too have noticed that. My index page, the only page with outbound links, ranks #8 on Google and #22 on Fast. But all of my other pages without outbound links are ranked in the stratosphere on Fast while many rank in the top ten and twenty on Google.
| 6:09 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Like mr_dredd2, I think that Google has rather encouraged us all to take note of the Toolbar.
> If you work really hard to boost your authority-like score while trying to minimize your hub-like score, that sets your site apart from most domains.
OK GoogleGuy, I think you've just caused quite a few people to put their non-PageRank thinking caps on:).
| 6:23 pm on May 21, 2002 (gmt 0)|
> If you work really hard to boost your authority-like score while trying to minimize your hub-like score, that sets your site apart from most domains. <
Aren't Hubs authorities though ?
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