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December 2001 Update
lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 11:58 am on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

This is an update of some kind and i don't like, can they release this one?

 

conor

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:42 pm on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

its been down since atleast 1pm GMT ... a new update methodology being tested ?

egomaniac

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:44 pm on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

My site has improved on www2 from position 23 to position 10. I removed some duplicate content last month that I believe caused a +20 penalty to be applied this past summer. It looks like "half" of the penalty has been removed.

:)

Not seeing anything on www3 yet. In fact it still has the removed duplicate page listed in it.

lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 8:16 pm on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

OOH MY GOD!!!!
They have dropped EXPEDIA!!!

wmwu

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Msg#: 1726 posted 10:19 pm on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

yes chalderh, and this time it is SNCI.

chadlerh

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Msg#: 1726 posted 11:10 pm on Dec 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

I just don't understand how google could misrepresent my site twice. People look to google for information about sites and when they type in one of my sites it gives them information about a site I have no control of. It is very misleading to the user.

john5

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Msg#: 1726 posted 12:39 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have an art web site with a large number of articles full of text. With this update most pages without obvious reason are ranking lower. However some pages jumped forward considerably. The pages that made it forward (some to number one) have all two things in common. They are about two months old (but were in the update for December included) and they suddenly all have a Pagerank of zero (white bar)!!! Does anybody have a clue? This is topsy-turvy! I don't get it.

Travoli

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Msg#: 1726 posted 2:49 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well looking at www2, our site got beat down pretty hard. I think this is just the Google bi-yearly SEO shakeup. It will either be normal by the end of this update or by next update.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1726 posted 4:10 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

If you have a site (more than 50 pages) that is well indexed in Google, I don't think there is any way to determine what effect this update is going to have until it goes live in full for a few days. Pages will drop, pages will rise, and you can't find those rising pages any way but surfing through your referral logs in a weeks time.

With Google, you just can't live heavily invested in one keyword or phrase. You have to think broad based.

Old school is thinking in terms of one page pulling 100 referrals a day. Google new school is thinking in terms of 50 pages pulling 2 referrals a day. Still the same 100 referrals, but much more broad based keywords and phrases. It's higher targetting and relevancy factors that in turn provide users the content they want (win-win).

Give it a week to decide what this update has been. If you can determine it is a bad update already, then you need to get busy and build some content to avoid the same thing next month or the month after. More pages and higher quality content will weather any month to month storm.

andrey_sea

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Msg#: 1726 posted 5:27 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Brett,

What about if your PR is down to 0, wouldn't that be an instant indication that something went wrong?

SmallTime

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Msg#: 1726 posted 5:46 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Brett makes a good point. Much of the traffic on my sites come from other than the home page. And I seeing a shifting of catched dates between 1, 2, and 3. So far so good, but not counting my chickens before they're hatched.

Chadlerh - description- is it in the ODP [webmasterworld.com...]
or picking it from the page?
It seems to pick the first search relevant text, or directory description.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1726 posted 6:27 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Make yourself bullet proof from from being 'zapped' by the algo. Build out your content, build out your pr, build your content, don't play the games, build your content, and in shorter time than you realize, you'll be bullet proof to the whims of the algo.

stever

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:37 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Build your content...

My site is listed for the first time in www2, Brett. Following a lot of sage advice about themes, content and definitely no "tricks" it is 50+ varied pages of extensive English information about a resort where most of the other information is only available in German.
The www2 result? Page 14 for "resort name" search, greyed-out PR, and beaten by sites with no content and/or spamming keywords and/or empty frameset and/or Flash intro and/or no inward links. From a very amateur (and jaundiced) point of view, it seems that keyword in domain, keyword in title and ODP listing are beating content hands down. I was looking forward to building and tweaking content and themes - now I don't even know where to start...

tigger

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Msg#: 1726 posted 8:09 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

welcome to WmW stever

- Now I don't even know where to start... here is just about the best place to start.

I'd work on your link popularity so far you've only got 4 sites linking to you, but I'm sure other's will come back with more advice

I've so far been quite lucky with this update; picked up some more new links :) cheers Google

Marcia

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Msg#: 1726 posted 8:18 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Another welcome to WmW, stever.

>site is listed for the first time in www2
Then don't worry about the greyed out PR, it's normal for a new site mid-update.

>don't even know where to start...
Don't even think about starting until this update settles in. Then take it one keyword phrase at a time. And yes, do look at page titles, and HTML page naming and link text as well. It's not exclusively what's in the domain name, but in the total file path.

It's not unusual for a site to first get listed low, at least once it's in it's a starting place. Sometimes rankings aren't instantaneous and take a few months of "tweaking and nudging", and improvement does come.

pgsbs

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Msg#: 1726 posted 9:41 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well, so long for the hits from Google.

My site dropped from the 1st place to somewhere between the last results. I don't know what I've done wrong. Didn't change anything on my site!

tigger

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Msg#: 1726 posted 10:12 am on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

pgsbs

Donít loose hope a couple of months ago I lost some major rankings during the update but they did return within the next few days, so perhaps try again next week.

Mind you I did notice your site is a framset :(

Wishing you luck

conor

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Msg#: 1726 posted 12:52 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Stever - Quality content wont rank well in google unless your page title and KW densities are of equal quality. Dmoz listing is a real boost but only if the other factors are in place.

Marcia

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Msg#: 1726 posted 1:20 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

The new stuff is now on www.

Moved up a in few places, nothing lost. The site that disappeared last time is back in, a new site is well placed with a description for one keyword that's the entire first sentence intact. Some important links that disappeared last time are showing up again. Google was very good to me this time around.

chadlerh

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Msg#: 1726 posted 3:01 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

SmallTime, I am talking about the so called Google Glitch from last update, where you type a domain into google search and it gives you a link to a site other than your own. Here is what googleGuy said about it last time.
[webmasterworld.com...]

I think it is being done on purpose. We will have to wait and see when he gets back from vacation.

lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 6:07 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I know that people from google stop by here sometimes but if your site has vanished you can post about it on.
groups [groups.google.com]
And the thread. Update on WWW2 I have been removed!!!
Maybe they check there more often, what do i know.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:20 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

reminder: please do not post urls of "problem sites" - even sneaky ones. It's hard to keep it sorted out.

Well, the update appears to be solid and done. I can't see a difference yet in anything of ours. Not even any minor movement really. We just had a bunch of pages added and a few new sites picked up.

lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:26 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

If you do a search for google you will get this.

Google
... Advertise with Us - Add Google to Your Site - News and Resources - Jobs,
Press, Cool Stuff... 2001 Google - Searching 2,073,418,204 web pages.
Description: Provides information about sex, drugs and alcohol, mental health, skin problems, weight problems,...
Category: Kids and Teens > Teen Life > Teen Health
www.youknowtheurl.com/ - 3k - Fresh! 27 Dec 2001 - Cached - Similar pages

GLITCH ???

wmwu

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:35 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

rotfl

agerhart

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:37 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I got this:

Description: Lists the results in the order of popularity, determined by the number of links from other sites....

lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:43 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

look on
[www2.google.com...]
i think Google groups also have a funny description.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:49 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thats funny Lazer. That is exactly what I saw too:

Google
... Advertise with Us - Add Google to Your Site - News and Resources - Jobs,
Press, Cool Stuff... 2001 Google - Searching 2,073,418,204 web pages.
Description: Provides information about sex, drugs and alcohol, mental health, skin problems, weight problems,...
Category: Kids and Teens > Teen Life > Teen Health [directory.google.com]
www.google.com/ - 3k - Fresh! 27 Dec 2001 - Cached - Similar pages

lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:51 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

I think this is quite funny to.

Google Groups
Groups, ... Post and read comments in Usenet discussion forums. New! Google offers
complete 20-year Usenet Archive with over 700 million messages. ...
Description: A bulletin board for consumer mutual support about cosmetic surgery, breast lift (mastopexy), rhinoplasty...
Category: Health > Consumer Support Groups > Cosmetic Surgery
www.google.com/grphp?hl=en - 6k - Fresh! 27 Dec 2001 - Cached - Similar pages
This one too.
Google
UK. ... Search: the web pages from the UK. ... 2001 Google
- Searching 2,073,418,204 web pages.
Description: This multilingual e-mail service supports attachments, will retrieve e-mail from a POP account.
Category: Computers > Internet > E-mail > Free > Web-Based > W
www.google.co.uk/ - 4k - Fresh! 27 Dec 2001 - Cached - Similar pages

:)

(edited by: lazerzubb at 7:53 pm (gmt) on Dec. 28, 2001)

cowcool

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:53 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Lazz,

Have you got a reply from Google Guy?. Please inform us when you already got a reply from him.

Do you think the new index will last until the next update?.

satanclaus



 
Msg#: 1726 posted 7:55 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

>> Make yourself bullet proof from from being 'zapped' by the algo. Build out your content, build out your pr, build your content, don't play the games, build your content, and in shorter time than you realize, you'll be bullet proof to the whims of the algo.

Amen to that Brotha.....

lazerzubb

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Msg#: 1726 posted 7:55 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Cowcool i don't know where you have gotten that i would recive info from googleguy ?
I stated earlier that i would send google info yes.
I have recived information from google but that specific for my site, and it wont help you :(
It didn't help me either but i am thankful for the response anyway.

cowcool

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Msg#: 1726 posted 8:04 pm on Dec 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

Lazz,

What did they say to you?

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