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Nov 2001 Google update started
changes at www2

 11:35 am on Nov 25, 2001 (gmt 0)

Rankings improved, new site included at www2 :)



 2:46 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

One of my sites went from # 200+ to where it now is currenlty #1 and where according to the www2 results it will be in the #500 + range for SERPS. Seems that their filters are drawn too tight this time around as they were two updates ago when we all suffered the +100/200 penalty. I did see that googlebot was crawling the site on November 25th, so the site is not banned, it's the filter penalty. Where's googleguy?


 2:56 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

skibum - yes you're right, one way to find a lot of 404s or DNS errors or dead sites is to dig around in cats in the google directory and look for all white pixels, chances are, the sites are dead.

webguybri - stick around a while - you'll find that most of us are a little smarter than that.

eljefe3 - Yeah, well googleguy has already stated he won't talk around the scoring, but this is just a little bit too weird - top 10 to bust and back again - surely you can give us a hint googleguy?

This is the first time I've ever seen the toolbar AND the directory updated with page ranks (with the arrival of the new SERPS); it seems new to me.


 3:49 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just in time for the holidays. This one is even worse than the last. Last time my newer sites were spared..All of the sites were spidered just fine. Some of them were completely spidered 2 or three times


 3:51 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Lost a few #1 positions by just a few places, but gained a whole bunch of new first page rankings on broader keyword phrases that I've been targetting. All in all, I'm pleased.


 3:58 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Skibum - You can't be serious... 1 to 3 months? That just bascially skips the holiday seasons! That's when people like to look around for remote control car information the most. And we were about to launch a christmas RC Car shoping guild too! Dang. BTW: 'RC Car' is our keyword in google, it ranks 3rd in www and like 200th in www2. :(


 4:16 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

rcxotic do a search on your chassis page (http://....), I noticed the same site came up when I did a search on one of my internal pages as well. Anyone else that has been penalized notice this?


 4:32 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

I see it too! What's the deal here?

For anyone that can't see it, it is a total spam page (full of hidden text), not on rcx's domain, and a redirect at that! Also, it is not on the same ip block (not anywhere close).

But when I went back to look at the url (on the SERP), it was gone. I can't duplicate it but I have a window open where I pinged the site and I do know the url.

Now I'm getting calmed down, and I think probably this is the google db shifting, probably returning errors, but now seems to be fixed. But the question is, what if there is some kind of problem with the db that is making some of our sites disappear off the map every once in a while? We're associated with some other URL that we have nothing to do with?

Ok, I just typed in one of my own URLs and the same site came up...What gives?
[Added another...Sorry ;) ]
I'm going to give the url, not in link format, if the moderators see fit to remove it, I won't be offended:



 5:30 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

I have three sites that have 0 PR - all white. They didn't have it last month, but did the month before.

I think we need people to be clearer on the sites they refer to as penalized.

Anyway - I too get the "EPIMMUNE" Penalty one one of my sites. My site is being associated with this company - and so are the others that come up with that link.

You must type in YOUR DOMAIN NAME in the box to see it or not. Please report your PR as all white, all gray, or a# and whether it is associated with showing stock quotes for EPMN when talking about this penalty.

Oddly only one of the three exhibits this behavior - it also has no similar pages listed - and the link for similar pages on the ID PAGE has GOOGLE as my similar page link.


 5:45 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

2 sites ... All white pixels. Both have the new "EPIMMUNE" penalty - EPMN stock quote. Top Ten for many various searches - buried on www2 and it seems to be on www now, however, my logs are still showing google referrals.

Both were buried before the last update and both suffered +20 on July 6/7...then came back in August for about 2 weeks.

One new site...Very similar...but none link together...has no effects.


 5:46 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

The site in question gives a 302 redirect. I do not think it is even really in Google. It also uses spaces in the url and has a number in the domain - just thought I would point it out.

The site it goes to does not appear to be in google either.

All this makes me think this is a google hiccup - rather than a penalty.


 6:02 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hiccup, yes, that's what I thought. What we need is someone without a buried (white pixel) site to see if EPMN comes up on their site. That would put an end to it.

What about a DNS hijack. (I know only a little - somebody correct me - The UA requests an IP from a domain name server, then that is returned - then the UA sends not only the IP but the domain name in the request - correct?)

So what if a domain name server was messed up somehow, or hacked - Is this possible?

And if it is a penalty, maybe google thinks that that page is the end of the internet. So we get listed at the end, so to speak.


 6:14 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Interesting... That is one weird phenomena. (refering to weird search result page) At lease I am not alone *whew*! Well lets have a poll, how many here currently actually have a zero ranking (aka white pixel PR) Top level domain?

I have my top level domain with white pixels. :(

Thankx for the helps guys!


 9:58 am on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi everyone
I am getting autoloans.440.credit-lenders.com/free%20credit%20repair%20tips for one of my domains. And this EPMN stock quote thing. Can anyone explain what this is? very confused :(


 12:39 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

ok, with a bit more digging, am finding that 3 of our clients are returning this error aswell (EPMN)
All good clean old sites, also 70% of our clients sites are not showing any links.
And weirdst of all, our home page url is showing as a french site that meta refreshes to us, Why would google list the wrong url for our site and can we do anything about it??


 12:54 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Oh no.. www just got updated! And our site is not in it! *Tears* But one weird thing thu, in our catagory we went up in ranking :) It's just that our keyword 'rc cars' no longer return a result with us in the third place :(


 12:58 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Dont panic its not finished yet it will be a rotating results some time more



 1:17 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

To be honest I've given up on the sites they've hit (again!). There is nothing 'dodgy' about them at all that I can see, and at least one is on an IP block well away from anything else I have ever done.

Why can't Google just be open and honest and tell us what it is we are NOT supposed to be doing here? If they say don't do it I won't... but I just don't know what IT actually is.


 1:28 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Well the update on Google seems to have good effect on the traffic to my site. Haven't had any traffic from google in months and now I get a least 2 or 3 visitors a day.

On a site with about 15 visitors a day, that's a good result!


 3:17 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

i stuck with google for a year then realised how unreliable their anti-spamming techniques were. they are slowly degrading their search results because some of the best sites in the world are being blocked by their algos.

focus on wisenut, they spider as good as google in terms of search result quality and their index is catching up with the googlies.

think to thew future, do not get caught up in the prsent.


 3:52 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)


I can't agree with you regarding Wise Nut. I submited to them several months ago and again yesterday. Still haven't been included! I'll stick with Google.


 3:52 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

As soon as people want to be in wisenut - they will face the same problem.

Spam is a very, very, small problem for Google. It seems to bother webmasters more than anyone else.

I did a search on viagra and online casinos - both had results that competing webmasters would whine and complain about.

The "online casinos" had listings with links to "links to you" and viagra has some subtler - yet still "spam" techniques being used.

Overall the results were good - just as in Google. However, wisenut has a time and date gateway of July.


 4:31 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

well.... i see hardly any changes right now ... www still showing same as it was a couple of weeks ago, www2 showing a few newer pages on one site but not all of them (all added and spidered same time). www2 shows one site moved up one place, and another site which had PR4 on home page and mix of PR 3 and 4 on other pages now seems to be consistently PR4.
looks to me like the update is nowhere near finished so will sit and wait another week or so.


 4:32 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

When Wisenut starts delivering traffic in the quantities that Google does currently then I will give it my undivided attention.

I wish they would revise their identity though. I cant stand their logo. reminds me of Pringles... going off topic blah..blah..

Anyone else coming across Google showing a credit lending site listed instead of your own?


 4:36 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

Please give wisenut some respect



 4:47 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)


Sorry, dont misunderstand me. Wisenut is a serious contender as far as size and relevance goes. It is a great search engine, but I'm just not keen on its frontend and although I have some excellent rankings with Wisenut, I dont think I've ever seen a referal from it.



 7:27 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

It will fluctuate for a few days probably. They now have the old cache of our main page in all three databases and in the directory. We have seen the updated version on and off so it's still on the move it seems.


 7:30 pm on Nov 26, 2001 (gmt 0)

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