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Safari Compatibility High Priority
Brin about GMail's Safari Support.
Yidaki




msg:1555462
 9:57 am on Apr 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brin noted that he was "embarrassed" that Gmail's beta doesn't support Safari, but said that they will add Safari support before its public release. "We're going to make it work with Safari and that's one of the high priority things," Brin told MacCentral. "Iíve heard that you can sort of get it to work if you're desperate. I want to fix that, and I want to make it work really well."

[maccentral.macworld.com...]

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:1555463
 3:57 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

He should be embarassed - it requires active-ms-X...

That's pretty far down there. Makes me wonder just who the main brain behind it was - that's a monumental rookie mistake.

blaze




msg:1555464
 4:08 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

'monumental rookie mistake' is a bit extreme for something still in beta I think.

Especially if you consider that they are possibly going IPO in the next few days - time pressure could have been an issue.

Though I think everyone agrees its a missing feature..

Brett_Tabke




msg:1555465
 4:16 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Beta starts with B for bug hunt and that has nothing to do with design. This is a design problem that won't be changed by production. If it is - it will be the first time in 3 years they have made such a change. Many other Google services have seen the same treatment. This is nothing new for Google. Regardless of the Linux Lip service brigade down in the google tech trenches, Google is - and has been - a Microsoft code shop. The html they have produced in the last 3 years has been part-n-parcel Microsoft product targeted code. From the annoying popups in Google groups that was taken right out of the adult world, to the ms targeted js on the serps, it is - and has been - a microsoft born and breed shop.

claus




msg:1555466
 8:02 pm on Apr 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hope an eweek link is accepted here: [eweek.com...]

Highlights:
- emails will be deleted, not kept forever (when user wishes to delete, of course)
- not only ads are displayed, also related web pages
- POP3 & IMAP being considered, as well as forward & collect (it's not there now, apparently)
- beta period expected to last 3-6 months

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1555467
 9:59 pm on Apr 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was just gonna post about this article! This is seemingly Brin at his least scripted; not to say he's disingenuous at other times, but in this interview, he seems particularly comfortable and open.

I like his openmindedness. Others may perceive this as a lack of certainty or conviction, but in contrast, I think it highlights that he's the quintesstial geek: constantly evaluating options and honestly trying to make the world a better place with technology.

Chndru




msg:1555468
 6:26 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Despite the heat Gmail is getting on privacy, Brin says, "I'm not seeing any rash changes to make off the bat." He adds, "I'm nervous about making a change based on feedback from people who haven't had a chance to try it out yet." Brin guesses it will be three to six months before Gmail becomes broadly available.

[usatoday.com...]
(Not Yet Another Flaming Paranoidic Article)

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1555469
 9:15 pm on Apr 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

That's actually one of the more balanced articles I've seen.

But hmm... it's hard to reconcile what Brin says (3-6 months 'til public release) and what I've heard from other Google employees ("soon").

mayor




msg:1555470
 4:56 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google needs to get G Mail out there fast.

They've apparently came to realize that email accounts are stickier than search windows, something MSN and Yahoo learned back in the middle ages.

bakedjake




msg:1555471
 11:29 pm on Apr 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

[gmail.google.com...]

The publically viewable error message requiring ActiveX for Gmail.

Brett_Tabke




msg:1555472
 3:55 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ya, I was invited to beta test it, but since I use Opera exclusively, I couldn't see testing such a low tech obsolete setup...

markus007




msg:1555473
 4:47 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ya, I was invited to beta test it, but since I use Opera exclusively, I couldn't see testing such a low tech obsolete setup...

One could argue opera is obsolete... Is it not more important that the application works for the majority, and not every obscure browser under the sun that no one uses anyways? I'm not picking fights here, just trying to make a point of where does compatability stop? When a browser has 1000 users? 10,000? 100k?

digitalghost




msg:1555474
 5:18 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> I use Opera exclusively

Whoop. You and 1% of the rest of the world. Surely, from a marketing perspective you can see why no one gives a rats ass about Opera.

C'mon... Safari? But they won't release a MAC toolbar? Sounds like PR, the other PR, to me. Priority my arse. Public relations, yeah, I can believe that.

BReflection




msg:1555475
 5:56 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Brett_Tabke

Ya, I was invited to beta test it, but since I use Opera exclusively, I couldn't see testing such a low tech obsolete setup...

Thats not a very nice thing to say about Opera.

Yidaki




msg:1555476
 6:35 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

>C'mon... Safari? But they won't release a MAC toolbar?

Exactly my thoughts but unfortunately i can understand why they won't release a Mac toolbar but want to make GMail Safari compatible:

- Toolbar: there's already a google search box built into safari. Enough for them from the buz perspective. They don't earn money from pr checkers but from searchers. So they *think* they already cover the mac searchers through the silly search box in safari. No need for a mac toolbar.

- GMail: even if the mac users are just a small fraction of the future GMail users there's some money to loose if GMail wouldn't allow mac users to use it. They'll probably make the bascis of GMail compatible to safari (or other mac osx / unix / linux compatible browsers) - just enough to let the mac users see and click ads.

The Toolbar-No / GMail-Yes thingy is - in my eyes - the best proof that Google is just a big company that wants to make money. If they would be as cool as at the beginning five years ago, they would have already build the mac toolbar to fish for the mac community's sympathy. Now, with GMail, when it comes to loosing money, they remember the existance of Macs ... "Ah there was this niche, this little piece of the market - Oranges? Bananas? Ah, yep, Apples."

Yep, that's embarrassing.

percentages




msg:1555477
 7:05 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google has changed from Geek to Goblin...."Goblin' Money".

The money is with IE, the Geeks are with Safari and Opera.

The embarrassment is in admitting a one time Geek has become a money Goblin' corporation.

I love to bash Google as I see them as potentially a dangerous bunch of Geeks trying to make it to capitalism intact. A very dangerous transition.

However, in this instance I think they probably got it about right....play for the money first!

GlynMusica




msg:1555478
 11:30 am on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

"time pressure could have been an issue".

OH COME ON!

This is just people not giving two hoots about usability anymore - so long as it works in IE who cares?

Glyn.

pontifex




msg:1555479
 12:17 pm on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Glyn: I totally agree and I am no different...
I would even extend and say: if it reached google, it reached the outer limits. there is no diversity anymore and all the talk about monopoly with microsoft was just some therapy for the masses ("look, they control microsoft"), but de facto the monopoly is there and everybody welcomes it with some intellectual remark... I wonder what would happen, if all other browsers would include something that IE could not display and somebody starts something like the blue ribbon campaign. If that little tag is in the page: bang, your IE dies...
P!

finer9




msg:1555480
 1:19 pm on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Honestly in a business sense it is not a big deal. IE has 95% share and MAC 2% installed base.

I know this is a developer community and people embrace all Opera, etc, but considering the average Google user I dont think the Gmail compatibility is a big deal.

I bet he planted that statement to endear him to our community.

Slud




msg:1555481
 1:51 pm on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

From [bradlands.com...]


They've begun phasing in support for Safari, too, which rocks my socks. It's not perfect but, hey, beta. (The opening screen still claims "Gmail does not currently support your browser" but if you click through to "sign in anyway", most of the features -- including keyboard shortcuts -- work just fine.)

sean




msg:1555482
 3:20 pm on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

1% of the rest of the world

1% can be a deceptive number. What percentage of affiliate sales are generated by the top 1% of affiliates? A huge number, possibly the majority. Now, more along the lines of this discussion, I suspect a similar dynamic exists with online influence. A call to action in an "A List" blog can reach many people and have a snowball effect. Also, only a small slice of sophisticated users search for "web hosting" and a long list of high-CPC technical/professional terms. If there is a significant correlation between the "one percenters" who drive the web and the single-digit percenters who user alt browsers, 1% suddenly casts a much longer shadow.

Slud




msg:1555483
 8:28 pm on Apr 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Since GMail (to Google) is another avenue for distributing Adwords, and Google can easily breakdown the average click through rate by browser, I would bet their lack of hair-on-fire concern for Opera support indicates that those users are not disproportionately lucrative clickers.

GlynMusica




msg:1555484
 8:13 am on Apr 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

"hair-on-fire concern for Opera support indicates that those users are not disproportionately lucrative clickers".

Nice defence, don't buy it for a minute.

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