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GMAIL - Google Announces Their e-mail service
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Chris_R




msg:1554182
 6:26 am on Apr 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

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SEOMike




msg:1554362
 3:50 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Richie0x-

If they set no limit, the potential for it getting out of hand is real. 1GB seems like a lot now, but I remember thinking I could never fill a 100MB HDD. A year or two, 1GB will be nothing, and people don't like limits when there were none before.

Like someone said about a gig before... I have more memory in my Camera than that.

Chndru




msg:1554363
 3:57 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Microsoft strikes back ..LOL :)

When asked why any user would need 1 terabyte of storage, Microsoft's Chief Software Architect Bill Gates said "It's 1000 times more than Google. That's why."

News Here [seas.upenn.edu] ;)

Sanenet




msg:1554364
 3:59 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey... my .pst is 3.4 GB ;)

SEOMike




msg:1554365
 4:04 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Gates insists that the move is necessary. "How many times have you tried to send a backup image of your 500 computer network to yourself via e-mail, only to have it bounce back? Now that won't be a problem."

Come on... With a quote like this it HAS to be MSN trying to take some of the spotlight away with their own AF joke.

trillianjedi




msg:1554366
 4:07 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Course its like the cell phone number bit, where you'd have to inform anyone who would ever want to email you, of what your new email address is.

That's true. Although I guess that's why google decided that in order to compete, they had to offer something that really was radically different.

@Mardi_Gras - I have the greatest of respect for your posts, and those of others. I called it how I saw it. As it may have caused offence, will you accept a public apology and I'll re-phrase:-

I think that the argument to say that this is dangerous in respect to people's privacy is unfounded. Google are looking to make money, they are not interested in your private affairs. If you are engaged in e-mail correspondence with me about buying a new car, then google will have information to the effect that you are interested in buying a car. That may (and probably will) have an effect on the adverts you are "served" along with your mails.

If it results in google sending you spam email, then google are in trouble, so I think that can be considered highly unlikely.

If it results in google disclosing your private communications with others, then google are in trouble. So I also think that can be considered highly unlikely. Not using GMail (or any of the others) if such correspondence is sensitive, would be a good idea. I wouldn't use a public mail provider for anything commercially sensitive, but I consider that to be a belt and braces measure, more about other users hacking into the system than the provider actually deliberately trying to gain commercial advantage over me.

If privacy is important to an e-mail user, that e-mail user has the option not to use a public free service such as G-Mail, hotmail, Yahoo! etc.

I don't see a real concern with the fact that google might find out you're after a new car, or interested in blue widgets.

Google will use that for advertising means, but that's just business. There's no such thing as free e-mail.

TJ

trillianjedi




msg:1554367
 4:09 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

That CNN article is fantastic. My favourite quote:-

Within a few years, e-mail storage will exceed the amount of data that has been created in the history of the universe," says CNN senior technologist Sue Kroll.

TJ

atadams




msg:1554368
 4:16 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hadn't seen this link on this side. Here is a screenshot of Gmail:

https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6119&topic=19

SEOMike




msg:1554369
 4:28 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you are engaged in e-mail correspondence with me about buying a new car, then google will have information to the effect that you are interested in buying a car

Won't it be funny when Google reads your email, determines that you are breaking up with your significant other, and offers up Ads for single's sites?

As soon as spammers start getting through (I know, spam blocker is a feature, but it's not foolproof) not only will you get an email full of crap, but you'll get ads just like it. THAT'S going to be annoying.

I wonder what the main screen will serve for ads. Do you think the algo will take an overall picture of your email and serve ads that are relevant to your frequent discussions?

Jeroen van de Wiel




msg:1554370
 4:43 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hasn't anyone noticed that Gmail is not yet in Google Labs?

If this story IS true, it would be very strange that a beta product is not listed there, while personalized search ( added 3/29/04) is listed at the first day...

Googleguy, what's your opninion on this? ;-)

trillianjedi




msg:1554371
 4:48 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

THAT'S going to be annoying.

That's the price of "free".

Actually, one of the reasons we run AdSense on one of our sites is we like the fact that it's discreet. Users can ignore it if they choose. It's not "in yer face" like pop-ups, whizz-bang flashing banners etc.

If google choose a similar method of displaying AdWords ads in GMail, I don't think it will be that irritating.

Probably less so that the flashing banners on Yahoo! and hotmail.

TJ

atadams




msg:1554372
 4:52 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

trillianjedi, check out the link I posted above. It shows the ads in a screenshot of Gmail. The page also includes this tidbit:

If our automatic filters detect that the topic of the email is sensitive, we donít show any ads.

SEOMike




msg:1554373
 4:55 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hasn't anyone noticed that Gmail is not yet in Google Labs?

Yeah, that's something that hasn't set well with me this whole time. I wonder what the explanation is. Ususlly they put all of their Beta stuff in there. Maybe it's not there because there is nothing anyone can do to use it... only the selected few that get to test. All the other lab stuff you can use now.

herb




msg:1554374
 5:01 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I want to see what an actual email will look like. We currently bounce any email with embedded graphics, i.e., gif or tiff. They get an auto-response that our system does not accept graphics.

Found that 1 out of 500 plus was not spam. The valid ones know to resend because of the auto-response message. The email announcing adwords changes from G got bounced because they included a graphic. We keep a copy of the offending piece in a holding folder for 2 days before it gets deleted and was able to retrieve it after I saw the postings here.

We are bouncing over 700 per day with about 50 users on our iMail server.

Mardi_Gras




msg:1554375
 5:31 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

> will you accept a public apology

trillianjedi - Accepted. I was starting to think you were out to get me. Feeling somehow - paranoid ;)

trillianjedi




msg:1554376
 5:38 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Feeling somehow - paranoid ;)

LOL

If our automatic filters detect that the topic of the email is sensitive

How do they define "sensitive" I wonder?!

Actually, I'm interested to know how many people here will be getting a GMail account and what they'll be using it for?

TJ

pleeker




msg:1554377
 5:52 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

As soon as spammers start getting through (I know, spam blocker is a feature, but it's not foolproof) not only will you get an email full of crap, but you'll get ads just like it. THAT'S going to be annoying.

Looking at that screenshot, and seeing that the ads aren't IN the actual email but on the outside wrapper ... I don't understand how any ad, crap or not, can be annoying. Maybe it's just me....

loanuniverse




msg:1554378
 6:30 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hehehe, nice CNN story ;)

On the serious side:

After seeing https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6119&topic=19 I think that this product will be a winner and it is great idea.

The screenshot looks great

SEOMike




msg:1554379
 7:29 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Pleeker:
I don't understand how any ad, crap or not, can be annoying. Maybe it's just me....

Nah... it's probably ME. I am getting SO sick of EVERY dang site having advertisements. Thank God Brett has kept WW clean... so far.

I guess I'm over sensitive because it seems like everywhere I turn I'm the 1000th person to see the banner and I win a prize, or that if I can shoot the monkey, I win a trip. Probably the thing that bothers me the most is the blatant insult to my intelligence when every other person that sees the ad is also the 1000th person.

I know I am surrounded by ads all day every day, but they are a little easier to tune out because they aren't flashing, moving, or worse yet, playing music. They SURE aren't flying in front of my windshield as I drive like pop ups do as I navigate the web. Internet ads are more in-your-face than other outlets, so that's probably the root of my problem with them.

So, in the grand scheme of things, this is as tasteful as ads on the net can get... content targeted, and edited for content.

ferfer




msg:1554380
 7:31 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi, I am not sure if this has been already mentioned, but I have not read it in US media but Argentinian media.

- $2 is the estimated cost per 1GB for Google
- April, 8. The launch date.

Fer

258cib




msg:1554381
 7:55 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I said this on another thread. Surprised not to see someone else suggest it:

This has little to do with ads and everything to do with search. As the screenshot shows, the email will have a search box on it. That will bring in more traffic to Google search. That is what it's all about. The ads on the email will be ignored by most users, but the search box will be used--and THAT will be high quality traffic.

Not very sophisticated--driving more people to the search engine--but that's the game G is playing and GMail will help. That's the main thing.

Still, it's going to be cool seeing ads in context to emails. I'm going to have to sign up just to see what that's like. The ads with newsletters and "thanks for shopping Sears.com" might be funny.

SEOMike




msg:1554382
 9:00 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

258cib-

I thought the serach function was so you could search all of your email messages to find a phrase or word you are looking for, and not for a G search...

If you look farther up in this thread that issue was discussed. Sounds like a neat idea to me!

Chndru




msg:1554383
 9:07 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

[web.archive.org...]

jonknee




msg:1554384
 9:15 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

To those that have complained about the ads... There are a good 100 million people (AOL/Yahoo/Hotmail) using systems clogged with gross graphic based ads. A few targeted text ads will be a welcome relief.

If you complain about a few text ads in exchange for a 100% up free service providing a GB of email storage and fast search, you are nuts.

GoogleGuy




msg:1554385
 9:36 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Googleguy, what's your opinion on this? ;-)"

(This is of course all just my personal opinion.)

Okay, it's April 2nd, so it seems fair to say now that Gmail is for real. Expect to see

  • 1,000 megabytes of storage
  • search over the contents of your email
  • relevant/unobtrusive ads on the side of the page

    I've been using various versions of Gmail for a while now, and I love it. I'm a huge data packrat--I save all my email--and it's changed the way that I work. Whenever I used to get an important email, I'd have to save it off somewhere special, or else later do a very painful and long grep over years of email to find what I wanted. Now I only need to remember a few words from the email and a quick search brings it up. I never realized how valuable my email was until I had a great search over it. Just like Google did with web search, our search over email is going to improve the quality of life for a lot of people.

    About showing ads on the side of the page: Google has long had a different philosophy about advertising than many companies. Back when many search engines were bombarding users with off-topic banner ads, Larry and Sergey were emphasizing that the ads could be as useful as the regular search results sometimes. The more relevant the ads were, the better the user would like them. For example, it's not just how much someone is willing to pay, but also how high the AdWords clickthrough is that determines in what slot an ad shows. I think the ads that we show are going to be strictly better than annoying banner ads, flashy pop-ups, and other ads that you can't ignore. And I think they're going to be pretty handy for users.

    If you take a step back, I think Google has done a lot to improve the relevance of web search and the quality of advertising on the web over the last five years. I'm looking forward to us doing the same thing with email. I'm glad that folks here are mindful of privacy issues; I believe people will find that we are working for our users' interests with Gmail just like we do everywhere else.

    Okay, this is getting long and I have to go to a meeting. :)

  • Chndru




    msg:1554386
     9:44 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    >>search over the contents of your email.

    Yahoo Mail has full email text search and an advanced search with a wide variety of options. How is Gmail search different?

    steveb




    msg:1554387
     10:17 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Google scanning emails and serving up results is a poor way to accomplish what they want to accomplish. An email stating how something gives the sender and upset stomach might serve up Alka-Seltzer ads to me. That would not be useful to me, Google, or Alka-Seltzer.

    Instead of bots reading emails, require people to sign up for five personalized categories, similar to the personalized search. This way I can be served with ads that will always be relevant, and the privacy of the person sending me emails would not be invaded.

    If you sign up, who would check five boxes that they AREN'T interested in, knowing they will be served ads for eternity that are off-topic? I ignore these ads, but if they are going to be there, they might as well be drawn from my personalized interest areas.

    258cib




    msg:1554388
     10:30 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    SEO says
    I thought the serach function was so you could search all of your email messages to find a phrase or word you are looking for, and not for a G search...

    If you look farther up in this thread that issue was discussed. Sounds like a neat idea to me!

    You are correct. And it is a neat idea. But the same box had a radio button that says "web." And that's where the traffic to Google comes from. Yahoo does it, Google has seen it work on Google News. The user moves around Google News via the search box, and it's easy to slide over to the web and do a search. Likewise, the user uses the Gmail search box to move around their email, and it's easy to slide over to search.

    This is sharp business. Take a winning product (email) and add value to it using your primary business (search).

    Google's interface is as impressive as their algorithms and their business savvy.

    GG is biased, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. I get some flames at times here for say that the web as a poor marketing device, but it is. You could not build Time-Warner or the New York Times on the publishing income from the web.

    Google has does more, however, to make the web work for marketers than anyone. And it's worthwhile to note that they are not publishers at all.

    Nacho




    msg:1554389
     10:47 pm on Apr 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

    GoogleGuy: Thanks for sharing your experience with Gmail!

    Can you please tell us a little more about how the system will work?

    For example, will there be Gmailbot spidering our emails and then finding email relationships (similar to link relationships) to say which email is more relevant than another?

    How will emails rank?

    Will there be an EmailRank (ER)?

    The whole idea of Gmail is facinating and we now know is for real. However, I believe it's time for all of us to start focusing on how it works and how it will differenciate with Yahoo's email search function and others.

    Yes, ads are going to have its own way of working, but in my opinion, there is not much value added for me to know how they will work as a user (as a marketer is another story and I am very interested).

    I really would like to know how Gmail can change my life of how I live with email now, as it did with you.

    Thanks and Saludos!

    Cheerios




    msg:1554390
     10:22 pm on Apr 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Anyone notice that entering in any login/pwd will enable the gmail sign-in to force a user to type in letters from an image. I wonder if this will happen during a regular login attempt or only for false logins.

    skipfactor




    msg:1554391
     4:34 am on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

    >>I've been using various versions of Gmail for a while now, and I love it.

    Why do I get the feeling some others around here have had it for a while too?

    Hey GoogleGuy, think ya'll can stop rolling out "new stuff I'm excited about" for a bit so we can get back to work and your competitors can stop reeling?

    Impressive strategic onslaught.

    For the record, as far as trust with my mail life, I place Google just ahead of the Postal Service, my ISP, MSN, my (x)boss, my wife, and John Ashcroft.

    ThomasB




    msg:1554392
     11:21 pm on Apr 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

    Just found sth quite nice:
    https://gmail.google.com/gmail/html/april.html
    linked from https://gmail.google.com

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