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Will GMail include POP3 retrieval?
This scares me a bit since the concerns about gmail account could be spread
NetRoll




msg:1553027
 4:30 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

If GMail includes a POP3 retrieval, then each end every email you will send couls potentially be retrieved from the GMail environment, therefore display ads.

The concerns about GMail will then be spread to every single email we send...

 

Mark_A




msg:1553028
 4:38 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

tip of the iceberg :-)

Assuming google go ahead microsoft would be quite within its rights given that we dont pay for outlook & outlook express to include similar technology on desktops in the very near future.

Coming soon to your own computer :-)

Gmail may be a web mail system but you still need to use some ISP or another to get online in the first place to get a browser on to the net ..

How about they, these ISPs, reduce their prices in order to commercially scan all your net traffic habits to serve you targetted advertising also?

Why not indeed ..

[edited for clarity]

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1553029
 8:59 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have no insider knowledge, but I'm guessing that POP retrieval would be high on Google's to-do list for Gmail. The more emails in the Gmail environment, the more ads, and the more ads, the more revenue.

Interestingly enough, I've recently witnessed another Webmail service that offers Yahoo POP3-based mail retrieval as part of its offering at no additional charge... even when the user has not subscribed to Yahoo's POP service. If Google did the same, I think we'd see increased migration from Yahoo Mail to Gmail.

Geotpf




msg:1553030
 11:23 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

I doubt it. The way they are making money on this service is by showing the targeted ads to the right of the e-mail. A user could avoid the ads if they used a POP3 account.

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1553031
 11:34 pm on Apr 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Geotpf, I think I interpreted the original poster's question differently, though I recognize it was ambiguous.

There are two different POP3 aspects associated with most Webmail accounts.

Accessing the Webmail account using POP3
An example would be, for instance, accessing one's Yahoo mail via Outlook by grabbing mail from the Yahoo server.

Slurping mail INTO the Webmail account
An example of this would be using Yahoo to bring in mail from yourdomain.com while you're traveling.

In the first case, many companies charge extra for this, since you're not viewing their ads AND you're still using their bandwidth.

In the second case (which is what I assumed the poster was referring to), the Webmail provider is happy, because you're then staying longer in the Webmail interface and seeing more of its ads.

I'm guessing that Google will charge for the former and not charge for the latter.

NetRoll




msg:1553032
 12:56 am on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was effectively talking about the second case here.

Basically, this means that any email (whatever domain it is going to) MAY be looked through GMail interface.

This is just to add some points to people who wants to block gmail emails... They better stop sending emails at all.

Sanenet




msg:1553033
 5:55 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, suppose we could go back to Royal Mail... Or even pay for a personal mail service, running PGP?

BigDave




msg:1553034
 11:09 pm on Apr 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

You don't even need to have the pop3 fetching capability to have that happen. All you have to do is set your MTA to forward your mail to gmail.

BReflection




msg:1553035
 8:39 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am under the impression that that the complexity and obfuscation of the javascript and frames used to create g-mail are in order to thwart reverse-engineering attempts that would allow pop3 access.

Besides, how are they gonna serve up ads if your using outlook?

kevinpate




msg:1553036
 8:50 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

> I think we'd see increased migration from Yahoo
> Mail to Gmail.

Well shoot fire and save matches, iffin they'd send me an invite to test drive it that would increase the migration from Y! mail a lil' bit. And if that seems like a not so subtle hint for GG, well, I never ever not even once laid claim to being the Sultan of Subtle 8^)

choster




msg:1553037
 9:28 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

we dont pay for outlook
Beg your pardon? Outlook 2003 is $109.
mbauser2




msg:1553038
 3:25 am on Apr 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is just to add some points to people who wants to block gmail emails... They better stop sending emails at all.

I'm thinking that would be no great loss to the Net. Those people don't say much that makes sense anyway.

SEOMike




msg:1553039
 6:38 pm on May 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just speculation (which tends to run rampant anyway)...

If Gmail did allow POP3 DOWNLOADING of Gmail to Outlook, do you think they would format all mail going out in HTML and still place their ads in the email?

Also...

Just to confirm, the ads presented are not static, right? They are different every time the mail is viewed based on Google's convoluted algorithm on determining who is most "relevant" and "popular".

So, if that's the case, would POPping an HTML version of an email that contains contextual ads work? Can Outlook support a dynamic HTML email? AND, would SPAM filters let Gmail through to a POP client with all those ads?

ThatAdamGuy




msg:1553040
 7:30 pm on May 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

My thoughts / observations:

1) Ads aren't shown in e-mail. They're shown NEXT to e-mail conversations. This is, actually, an important distinction.

2) I don't recall seeing ad targeting change on a particular conversation.

3) My guess is that any mail downloaded via POP3 FROM Gmail will not have ads, but will likely be part of a premium (pay) service.

Teknorat




msg:1553041
 6:44 am on May 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can Outlook support a dynamic HTML email?

Yes.

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