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Gmail Beta Testers
Are there any out there?
web_young

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Msg#: 26 posted 7:04 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is anyone beta testing Gmail yet? If so do you have any insight you can give the rest of us on how it is? I can't wait to give it a try.

 

bcolflesh

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 7:21 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Check previous Gmail posts - several people have posted their beta experience.

GoogleGuy

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Msg#: 26 posted 7:23 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yah, there's a few out there. I think a new wave of invitations went out a couple days ago, so more regular people are getting a chance to try it. I'm getting a lot of email from schoolmates who know that I work at Google. :)

web_young

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:11 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm probably way below the minimum posts here at WebmasterWorld to get an invitation. :)

ThatAdamGuy

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Msg#: 26 posted 8:22 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just received an invite yesterday and am currently testing out Gmail.

However, I'm in a bit of a quandry. The Google acquaintance who invited me was clearly none-too-pleased when -- after I received the invite -- I asked her if I could blog a review of the service. "We've been asked not to invite prominent bloggers" she said, indicating that she wouldn't have invited me had she known of my blog. "Use your judgement."

So, given that, I've been particularly shy about sharing my newly-informed feelings about the service so far (though many of you will note I was and still am hardly shy about sharing my thoughts about the service concepts, which aren't related to my testing experiences).

With that said, I've been a bit bummed to be really 'beat to the scoop' by quite a few other testers who have blogged about their experiences so far with Gmail. And I would enjoy writing more in-depth stuff here on WW as well.

So, GoogleGuy (or any other Google folks who read this), can you give me the skinny? Was my inviter really accurate in reflecting Google's preference that testers not be 'too public' about their testing-based Gmail thoughts? Are those Gmail testers who've blogged about Gmail just flouting Google's wishes? (I should note, by the way, that I did *NOT* sign an NDA)

On one hand, I could certainly understand Google's feelings on this. They don't want testers writing "Damn, [the foo feature] really doesn't work worth a darn!" and then having the mass media run with this, saying, "Those using Gmail note that it has large problems with [foo]." It *IS* a beta, after all, and sadly 99.99% of the public (and tech-idiot journalists) don't know or care what the heck a beta is.

But on the other hand, well, dang, I just love to blog. And I guess people might enjoy reading some of the detailed observations I'd like to make.

So GoogleFolk, what'll it be? [And as an obvious precaution, I'm only going to trust stickies from people I recognize as Googlers :D]

Please Be Gentle

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Msg#: 26 posted 9:13 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

"And as an obvious precaution, I'm only going to trust stickies from people I recognize as Googlers :D"

ThatAdamGuy, now you have intrigued me. By Googlers I assume that you mean people who work at Google.Who are the other Googlers beside GG and AdwordsAdvisor or are they the only 2? Is there a gmail representative?
Regards
PBG

ThatAdamGuy

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Msg#: 26 posted 10:01 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey PBG,

To be honest, though I've hung out both on WW and in person with my Google friends, I haven't noted much of an intersection. And also, I know just as much as you and others do about Googlers on WW; there's GoogleGuy, AdWordsAdvisor, and AdSenseAdvisor, none of whom I have the pleasure of knowing off of WW. I'm not aware of any other Googlers on WW, but from what the G folks above have noted, many *DO* indeed lurk here ;)

And getting back to Gmail... no, there's not been any announcement on WW that I've seen about an official Google Gmail representative. Since the service is still in pretty limited beta, from what I gather, it makes sense that Google isn't allocating people-resources here yet; they're undoubtedly too busy fielding feedback from testers, frantically tweaking and fixing stuff while on an M&M fix, and so on. :)

Please Be Gentle

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 10:20 pm on Apr 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok.
But I was just thinking that a dedicated gmail guru wouldn't be a bad idea to answer specifically gmail queries when I read your post. (I thought it was a bit quick given that it is only in trial).
Thanks for the clarification
With Best Regards
PBG

adfree

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:19 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

[fury.com...]

Maybe someone posted this before, apology in that case.

Chndru

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 9:32 pm on Apr 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I posted in the other thread too, a beta-tester's blog with screenshots and some specifics. [miscoranda.com...]

hmm..when will i get one?

GoogleGuy

WebmasterWorld Senior Member googleguy us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 7:23 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yah, those are not ads; they're web pages that are suggested because they're related to the content of the email.

adfree

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:40 pm on Apr 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG, does that mean we are not talking AdSense here?!?

Chndru

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 4:18 am on Apr 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just came across Adam's blog on Gmail along with other beta-testers' take on some issues. Thought I would share: [bladam.com...]

mod note: If inappropriate, kindly delete.

Chris_D

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 6:56 am on Apr 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yah, there's a few out there. I think a new wave of invitations went out a couple days ago, so more regular people are getting a chance to try it. I'm getting a lot of email from schoolmates who know that I work at Google

So whats your gmail addy GG?

:)

sovidiu

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 1:07 pm on Apr 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

What are the basis of these GMail invitations? For instance, I am notified by Google Accounts that one of the services available for me is also GMail. Are these requests to test Google's new mail facilities sent only to people working for the company's API segment? And, an interesting thing: Is GMail available in multiple languages? We all speak English, but also like additional languages to be heard/understood/enjoyed.

Chris_D

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 12:44 am on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

What are the basis of these GMail invitations

Like most beta test programs, I understand that you need to be invited by a Google employee, and they prefer to invite people who will try to stress test it, but won't blog about it :) After all - its a beta product.

Pretty much the same as happened in the early days of Orkut.

sovidiu

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:14 am on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Aha. So people from Google API Labs might also get invited. I personally consider that inviting the friends of Google employees (as you mentioned in your message) is not the general idea of GMail. Orkut is a community of friends, without any "visible" commercial interest. GMail, on the other hand, is conceived to generate profit, else Google would not have created so much agitation about it. Allowing friends to test its flaws is a good point for GMail, but their opinion might not be pertinent or advised. The WWW is advised when making reference to system-testing. Besides, Orkut was advertised by third-party "nephews", while GMail was introduced to the public audience via Google's News web site. Maybe Google is looking for additional OS options and web space in order to make GMail internationally-available, this being the reason of not releasing a public invitation for GMail testing personnel.

bantam

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 5:39 pm on Apr 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was invited the other day via a link from one of Google's partner companies.
I think they must be extending their invites a bit to different cliques.

And this new clique involves blogging, so I think they may have pulled their restriction on that.

stuntdubl

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 2:43 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Gmail seems pretty cool to me. I just got in this eve through an invite from blogger. The search function is my favorite part, as I have had to wad through piles of old sent e-mails and such in outlook before which is not a fun experience.

I think it's gonna be hard to pull people away from what is easy to try somethin' new with e-mail. E-mail addresses are pretty sticky. Heck, it's kept millions from leaving AOL;)

ThatAdamGuy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 6:16 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Okay, I'm really curious to hear from those of you who now have an account: Have your feelings about Gmail changed significantly... for better or worse? Has getting to play with Gmail highlighted any misconceptions you had previously? Has it mollified -- or intensified -- any of your concerns? Did it match the buzz or were you disappointed, and if so, how?

GoogleGuy had repeatedly (and, IMHO, understandably) suggested earlier something to the effect of: "when you try it, you'll feel differently." From what I've been seeing in other communities, this does indeed seem to be the case, and I'm curious if WebmasterWorld is any exception :D

sovidiu

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:43 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

It cannot make you feel differently; this is just some sort of e-propaganda. The large space and the invitation trick (that worked just fine for Orkut), making you think that you are some sort of a special person, since you are not a member of a free/paid that anyone else would be able to access, makes GMail to be regarded as *special*.
What could one do with 1GB of space? Add movies and music in his mailbox?
And think about it: you save 10,000 emails in your GMail account and all of a sudden either you forget your password account, either an accident occurs and there is no way GMail can recover your messages. What do you do? Sue Google? No, since GMail is a free service and you did not paid for it/was forced to join it. Ask for a backup of your messages? Sorry, your e-mails are private; Gmail does not store/read/interpret/backup them.
Irreversibly-losing all of your messages does not affect anyone else but your person. 1GB/account is way too much for Google to backup hourly/daily/weekly.

ThatAdamGuy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 9:37 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hmm... looks like we're getting sidetracked here a bit (already!) but I'll answer your questions nonetheless :)

What could one do with 1GB of space? Add movies and music in his mailbox?

I've been forwarding all mail I get to my Gmail account (minus one ridiculously active list I've subscribed to), to the tune of about 150 total personal and Webmaster related mails a day, with very few (and not so big) attachments. That's not all that much, is it?

But I'm already using 23 megs of space after 10 days, which means that I'll have filled an entire gig in just about a year and two months! What could one do with 1GB of space?! I think you have at least one reasonable answer here ;)

And think about it: you save 10,000 emails in your GMail account and all of a sudden either you forget your password account, either an accident occurs and there is no way GMail can recover your messages.

Gmail invites (but does not require) users to include an 'alternate e-mail address' upon signup. If you forget your e-mail address, they can mail a 'get a new password' link to your alternate address. So, frankly, I really can't see the problem. Heck, if I encrypt a bunch of my personal mail and then forget my key, is it the fault of the encryption, or my own forgetfulness?

1GB/account is way too much for Google to backup hourly/daily/weekly.

Believe it or not, I really do believe Google has redundancy and backups done pretty well. They give their own employees Gmail accounts with a terabyte (one million megabytes) of space (no, I'm not joking), and if they can manage that, I'm sure a mere gig is child's play ;)

Okay, now back to my original question. For those who have tried out Gmail, how have your impressions changed?

Chris_D

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 11:21 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sovidiu said:

I personally consider that inviting the friends of Google employees (as you mentioned in your message) is not the general idea of GMail.

I DID NOT say that sovidiu. I said:

Like most beta test programs, I understand that you need to be invited by a Google employee, and they prefer to invite people who will try to stress test it, but won't blog about it

I have been involved in alpha, and beta test programs, mostly in the Personal Computer industry, since the mid/late 1980s. I was amongst the first in the world to see both the Intel 80386sx processor and the 80486 processor; as well as Windows 286, early versions of MSNet (think PC Networks Pre Novell), and MS Xenix (where do you think SCO and Linux came from?).

Yes - in internet terms - I'm an old bloke. :)
If you know me - next time you see me - ask to see my office keyring. :)

To be included on 'anyones' Beta program, you need to be:
- known to those who make the decisions (not necessarily a 'friend of')
- you need to be able to add value to their trial by testing;
- comply with their requirements for useage feedback;
- and you need to be discreet. If you aren't - well - you usually only get one chance to beta test.

Being a 'friend' alone has never, in my experience, been sufficent criteria for inclusion in alpha or beta test programs. Certainly not in my experience.

Chris_D
Sydney Australia

sovidiu

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 12:38 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I understood your point and that is why I have already created a backup for my opinions, by saying (in my previous message): "I personally consider". It is my sole opinion, and since you have a good point in your "becoming a tester" tips in your message, I did change it into: "you are right".

stuntdubl

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 1:44 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I signed on to do a bit of blogging today on blogger, and lo and behold, they wanted to give me a Gmail account. Of course being the willing participant I am, I signed up to check it out.

Now granted, I do quite a bit of blogging on blogger, but I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one they are giving out accounts too.

Sorry though...I tested, and it doesn't offer it to new users. I'm trying not to be a jerk, but I do feel like at least a simple "neener neener" is in order.:) After all the media hype though, I feel like they are watching me;)

The ads are very non-obtrusive, and the search function looks to be the killer app that would be the main reason I would even consider the pain in the butt e-mail switch.

ThatAdamGuy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 3:41 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

The Blogger folks have publicly noted that they're giving out Gmail accounts to those who have been active Bloggers in the past. So yeah, while I was hoping to get an extra account to give to a friend, I wasn't invited to Gmail when I logged into my (barely used) Blogger.com account.

Serves me right for using MT all these years ;)

robjones

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 5:30 am on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for that tip stuntdubl,
I just got my invitation too :)

kazonik

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 2:39 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

Privacy issues aside,

Gmails search feature is way faster than my Outlook search!

If Gmail offered your-domain.com mail service with the same feature set, that would be cool!

Peace,
Kaz

BReflection

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:24 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

sovidiu
What could one do with 1GB of space?

I have a 750+ MB outlook.pst file full of e-mails which I am eagerly waiting to forward to my gmail account.

NetRoll

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26 posted 8:38 pm on Apr 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

ThatAdamGuy
I've been forwarding all mail I get to my Gmail account (...)

Gmail invites (but does not require) users to include an 'alternate e-mail address' upon signup. If you forget your e-mail address, they can mail a 'get a new password' link to your alternate address.

Just hope you haven't redirect this account to your GMail account though :)

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