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I'm okay - my friends are not okay
bpresent



 
Msg#: 133 posted 12:15 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm okay with the privacy issue.

You and I here in WebmasterWorld know that Yahoo, MSN or whoever has just as much technology / disinclination to view / scan and evaluate for marketing purposes, my emails as anyone else does.

But when I told my wife that I'd created a gmail account for her, and discussed some of the issues surrounding the serving of discrete context based ads, rather than flashy banners, and how they do it, she basically said "forget it!".

I suspect that a number of my family and friends will also avoid sending emails to me for fear of their opinions etc being public - regardless of how silly you and I may think this is.

I cannot see this issue going away without significant community education - and perhaps this may turn out to be a rather nice side effect of the gmail release (and all the hoo haa) - even greater user education that all email is only just a peek over the fence from the public domain.

I know that gmail is not for our more serious business matters - but what's the point in having an email address that people are afraid to contact you on?

 

Teknorat

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 5:34 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well dear sir that's not a problem as I don't wish to be in any form of contact with anyone DUMB [gmail-is-too-creepy.com] enough to be afraid to send me an email.

AW_Learner

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 6:47 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

How are the ads that GMail serves you when you are reading your mail any different then Spam? Except that they are targeted and you have agreed to it? Why would anyone agree to constant spam? Everyone's trying to keep those advertisments out of there email.

Teknorat

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 1:45 am on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't see the ads - they are not prominent or distracting from the email. It's a free email service. It is endlessly better than Yahoo and Hotmail. If you don't like it don't use it.

bpresent



 
Msg#: 133 posted 1:51 am on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

... or if you think you're friends and acquaintances won't like it - don't use it (nice link and anchor text there too Tek)

Scarecrow

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 4:19 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well I can't be too dumb, since my site has been number 5 on Google in a search for "gmail" for the last two weeks.

Or if I am dumb, I guess that means Google is dumber.

James in Vancouver

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 9:18 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)


I'm a very big believer in privacy and the importance of protecting privacy.

I've read the site linked to above and numerous other sites concerned about the privacy of gmail. I have yet to find a single thing about the privacy aspects that make gmail any worse than any other webmail provider. On the contrary. Gmail goes to great efforts to explain their privacy policy in very plain english. Some of the other providers are not as clear.

I also think the argument of your email triggering ads for your competitors is ridiculus. If you cannot write an email to your potential customer that is more convincing than a 2 line text ad you deserve to loose the customer. Besides what is the alternative, not to communicate with your potential customers.

Chndru

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 9:52 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Scarecrow- appreciate your efforts to take a stand.

Obviously, you disseminate information for quite a number of visitors: [gmail-is-too-creepy.com...]

For the record, you can provide accurate facts rather than misinformation?

Teknorat

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 11:17 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Daniel you're at number 4 now.Do you believe in Aliens and Government conspiracies?

[Edit]Should have done my research before I opened my mouth- disregard the question.[/edit]

Teknorat

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 3:50 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Daniel are you allowed to post here again?

Anyway in your Profile of a Gmail user:
[gmail-is-too-creepy.com...]

You are a libertarian who thinks that Google's founders deserve
to be billionaires.

Bingo- got that one spot on.

The property rights of transnational corporations are more
important than human rights in the Third World

Since when did third world countries come into this debate?

In your view, government regulation of corporations is evil.

Not at all. I just think that de-regulation is a better system.

You are a victim of the buzz generated by legions of high-tech
pundits who have been giving Gmail rave reviews, and belittling the
privacy issues. (Google has been feeding free accounts to friendly
columnists, who respond with servile gratitude. We are aware of only
two privacy advocates who have been offered Gmail accounts, compared
to dozens of geeky columnists, and hundreds of pro-Google bloggers.)

Nope- just enjoy trying out new services.

You have no respect for the rights of those who respond to you,
because you have already decided that Google deserves the privilege of
evaluating and profiting from the words of those who answer your
email, even though no one has ever asked the sender of the message
about this.

Wrong again- as Gmail is Pay per Click and I never click the ads no
one is profiting.

You are unaware that creeping commercialism is undermining the
Internet experience. You may not even be aware that the Internet was
noncommercial until the mid-1990s.

Take a look at the forum you're posting on. Of course commercialism is
killing the Internet. But people have a right to commercialise it. The
Internet has always stood for freedom. Whether you live in your
basement downloading pictures of feet or are the head of an
international multibillion dollar company scrwing the public every day
or if you are a luddite who writes rants and lies against google on
sites with really long domain names you have the freedom to do that.
If you take away one persons freedom you may as well take away it all.
How is Google actually harming you? When Sergey sends Guido around to
break your legs for those photos then you have a legitimate complaint.
However I should also say that you should be commended for taking a hard look at Google like this. Do you think people might take you more seriously if you went through Gmail's TOS and Privacy Statement step by step rather than resorting to emotional babble?

You are unconcerned about social issues such as privacy, surveillance and repression. Your attitude is typical of teenagers with little appreciation of history. When such teenagers go to college and major in computer science, business administration, or public relations, they still don't know anything about history.

This couldn't be further from the truth. While it is true that many teenagers are dumbed down to the point where they will argue that privacy is dangerous this overall statement is completely false.

Skylo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 133 posted 9:36 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Couldn't agree more teknorat. I am sick of people bombing google when they probably got a hotmail address. My colleague sitting in front of me argues that while data of yours is sitting on hotmail it is only 10 mb and therefore a lot less dodgy than google.
Like it or not, 1 gig was eventually gonna happen and everyone else is going to follow suit. So when Yahoo and hotmail offer 2 gigs of space, are you going to cry wolf and slate hotmail? Our privacy will always be a danger on the net<cough>microsoft</cough> So you can make up conspiracy theories or be like the rest of us and respect companies like Google and Red Hat, and people like John Gilmore for what they have done for the IT world.

Just my 2 cents, and now to go check my gmail inbox:-)
Happy Surfing
Skye

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