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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 9:31 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Life story and heavy complaining ahead; weak-minded beware. ... ... ... I've failed. Failed in making money on the only thing I really know something about. I'm talking about the WWW and $$$, of course. I'm now 20 years old. I've wasted basically my entire "teen" years reading, learning and producing Web related stuff without any kind of appreciation, encouragement or other logical reasons other than curiosity and creativity. As so many others. I've made a lot of personal projects that nobody but me, or just a few, have seen, or will ever see. As so many others. In the beginning, it was a world of magic, where I was still living under the false dream that there was a free host out there somewhere that would stay up forever and never put any advertisements on your pages. I was designing with tables and spacer GIFs. I wrapped tables to produce a border that Netscape 4.x would understand. I didn't know what bandwidth was. I thought that "FTP" sounded exotic and that FreeBSD was some kind of CMS. I thought that MS Personal Web Server (PWS) was great... I... alright. You get my point. I learned about CSS, separating styling from structure, started understanding more about Apache, Unix, mod_rewrite, PHP, regular expressions, databases/SQL, and just generally how the Web (and computers) works. I realize that I did all this when "cyberspace" was more than common, and not in the days of the "wild" World Wide Web, but it still feels that I've done and evolved a lot. I, of course, blame my parents for not being able to start earlier. They were tech-haters. Pretty recently, I've made a number of different sites with my "good" knowledge, all validating and using all kinds of good practices. MSIE has been more of a pain in the ass than ever (I actually favored it back in the days of crap code, and bashed Netscape for doing things "incorrectly"). They have all taken way too long to develop each, and all because of one thing: I'm a perfectionist. Or I was. Or I am, but I slowly realized that nothing can be "perfect", unless you get to control everything yourself. So I force myself to release stuff. You see... I'm a game programmer at heart. I don't really wanna do this. But, I realize that the kind of games I made, and want to make in the future, would be completely impossible to sell and live of. So I have tried to make a profit of the only thing I really know something about -- the Web. And, as I began this thread by saying, I have failed. Big time. Now, before you jump to any conclusions, I want to really make sure that you understand my situation. I've graduated from high school. I hardly remember going there, though. It's a fog of bad memories. It was full of, in my opinion, very hard and annoying tests and homework (mostly in physics and math), and as time passed, I started socialize less and less with my friends. In the end, we had basically grown apart (even though I always considered myself as an outsider). I'm not a team player, and I love getting things done "right". Working on my personal projects (always in pluralism) have been the #1 priority (and #1 stress cause) for me since the age of ~12. I'm writing this post and publishing it here just because I know that if I make it a blog entry, it might not stay there for long. I hate myself for being this "volatile", but I can't keep satisfied with anything I do. At least if it's Web related. There's something special about the Web. Most likely, it's the fact that you don't get to control exactly what is shown on the user's screen. That's precisely the case with game programming. You get, for example, a 320 x 240 pixel frame, and you get to paint it with pixels exactly the way you want. It's art. On the Web, the user can turn off styling, images (or both), zoom, change font sizes, the style of the fonts (GOD I hate the "standard" "Web fonts"), etc... You get my point? Good. (Of course, we have the issue of incorrect gamma settings of the users' computer screens and things like that with software/games too, but that's a problem of much less importance.) So... I've failed. I thought I was smart enough to SEO my way to success, but, judging my my daily AdSense and affiliate program average incomes, I'm not after all. I make $2-4/day, and that's just barely covering my hosting costs. This makes me wanna scream and cry out loud. My philosophy is that a site should not contain anything unnecessary. For example, a "login" form should have its own section, and should not be output on every page. All Web pages must validate and be written with good practice in mind for me to "accept" them as "real" ones. Of course, very few Web sties on the Web fulfil these requirements of mine. I guess that makes me feel special. Even my porn site(s) validate. I take great pride in doing things right. But WHO REALLY CARES? As I can see it, next to nobody. A few elitistic geeks like myself appreciate it, and perhaps blind/disabled people (although I don't see how they even would bother finding my sites in the ocean of crap out there). I do all these insane extra work for nothing. While people make tons of cash with their auto-generated Web sites using WYSIWYG editors and/or SEO generators, I go through every byte in my CSS and PHP (outputting HTML 4.01 Strict) files fanatically, several times. For what? Nobody gives a #*$! anyway. If it weren't for MSIE, and the fact that both HTML and CSS are rather poorly designed languages from the beginning, I wouldn't mind at all. I love writing things by hand and having 100% control over it... it's just that I don't. "Where the hell is this thread going?" you might think. I don't know. I'm seriously just writing what's on my mind. And there's a lot of sad and depressing things on my mind at the moment. So... where was I? Oh. Education. Well... after high school, around one year ago, I joined a local college, very close to that high school. In other words, I didn't "move out" to a "campus" or whatever they call it. It sucked. That's the best word I can use to describe it. Naturally, it was nothing like in those American movies. I quit after one course (one month). This made my mum go nuts and she forced me to get a job. So I eventually got a really crappy job at a local low-price store. I tell you... I just can't fake being happy to customers. It lasted for a week. Since, I've tried extra hard with my projects. In last year of high school, I was working on an auctions Web site on an off, but after eBay's invasion of Sweden, I had two extremely powerful enemies to fight, and I had to give that idea up. It turned into a "classifieds" site instead, but then I realized that in tiny Sweden, there's AT LEAST 14 (!) different ones that are big and established and that can afford advertising. One even has been bought up by Sweden's largest newspaper and has TV ads and a printed (physical) version... Do I need to tell you that they all are bad UI-wise and that none of them validate, are full of bull#*$! and generally are worse than my own? Good. You seem to either need money to make more money, or a lot of luck. I have neither. Do I complain a lot? Come on... be original. I'm just saying how it is, OK? I'm not gonna waste time by telling you about my other projects, because, frankly, when I look at them now, they feel more like advanced tests of my skills, rather than functioning, stable Web sites. And as always, I constantly make little changes to them to "perfect" them, although they never get anywhere close to my mental image. The bottom point is that I don't make money. I lose money if anything. Now, when I have seriously woken up from my "mental coma", I realize that my life looks a bit different now from when I entered this... phase. I should get my own place to live, a girlfriend (good luck with that...), maybe travel to some of the places I've always wanted to go to (NY, Las Vegas, USA in general, Tokyo)... All of these require money. So I'm stuck in an evil circle. In order to be happy, I need money. Seriously. If I'm not happy, or at least happIER than I am now, I won't have the energy to continue trying to make a living. What the hell happens then? Still, I have many unfinished game projects to take care of (and a whole bunch of new ones), and at least one programming book to read that has been neglected for so long. I haven't really changed (that's a good thing IMO), but my outlook is different. I need a stable income somehow, and as I see it, the Internet and more precisely AdSense is the only way to go for me, in my situation and my life. I just need to figure out HOW EXACTLY I'm gonna make the big bucks with people like you around (take that as a compliment!). The worst part of all this cynicism is that I can't really take your suggestions seriously. I'd think that you want to see me fail so that your positions stand untouched. Who in their right mind would give a way a suggestion about SEO or generally in a competive business market if that's negative for the person giving this advice? I realize that SEO is more than pressing a magic button. Believe me. I'd like to think that I understand the Web and search engines, and yet... well... I tend to say that I don't have resources enough, but I know deep inside that that's not the entire truth in all cases. However, pretty much every damn combination of words in a .com domain name are taken, and often, they aren't even used for re-directing to some rich persons' site(s), but is just occupied, unused, for no reason! That really pisses me off. This thread is getting way too long now, but perhaps that'll make only those who might be able to come with some kind of constructive suggestion reply. I don't know. I frankly don't get people anymore. Not like I ever did. Just a little more random blabbering: I have a site, with an actual good domain (.se). Despite it having the exact string as the domain name, the string AND domain AND variations mentioned in the title, the h1, and elsewhere on every page, it ranks #2 for a search on this very term. The #1 is not even remotely similar. This pisses me off greatly. (This only happens in Google -- in MSN Search, it's #1.) To all of you who haven't been over what I have experienced: think twice before you think that you can beat the established sites, no matter how crappy they are (and no matter how good your own stuff is), and/or the ones with the bags of money with dollar signs on them. You may not stand a chance. I didn't, even though I did my very best. I don't know what to do, really. I really believe(d) in this. I'm not one of those who expect money to come easy, but I have really put my soul in this. That's what makes this whole thing so sad. It's not fair. I knew that life isn't fair, but what the hell? At least this thing could've come my way. Do I sound depressed? Frustrated? Desperate? Mad? You bet I am. ... ... ... It'll be very interesting reading your replies.
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Lord Majestic
| Msg#: 9800 posted 9:37 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | This is well written and well worth reading. You made mistakes, so what - everyone does, the important thing you are just 20 and you have full life ahead of you. The experience that you have learnt is invaluable as many don't learn it until too late to change. Be happy that you are only 20, not 30 like me and not even older like others who are stuck in dead ends jobs with kids and huge morgage and no chance to change life before or even after retirement.
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bnhall
| Msg#: 9800 posted 9:57 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Right, sounds like you're at least 10 years ahead of the rest of us skills-wise. There will be plenty of time to make money later in life - go have fun now. Great post.
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moltar
| Msg#: 9800 posted 9:58 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Ya whatever man. I have a very similar story for except one thing - I don't give up. Cheer up mate, put your head up, shoulders straight and keep going at life. You will succeed. If you keep doing the same thing, you will succeed, it's just a matter of tiem.
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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:01 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Well... thank you for replying. About getting older... I've feared every birthday since I turned 15. It may sound silly to you, but I'm pretty sure that you did a lot of things that I've just missed. I can't feel happy for others' success without feeling jealous. I don't know what to do. Today I registered a rather nonsense-ish .com, but with three important keywords. I hope that I can make something out of this that might bring in some cash. At least it can't go as bad as my "small" Swedish stuff. I've also been working on a Web store that will sell dropshipped products. It's an entire adventure in itself, but I am starting to realize that it'll be hard to earn any real money from that too.
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Essex_boy
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:04 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Pretty heavy going. You seem to take (minor) failures as massive life changing events we all have trouble with sites that are SEO'd but fail to get anywhere. I think your expecting to succeed at first attempt. People on here are dam good, they will offer all the help you need - ive had very knowledge people offer help for free that beyond the bounds of this forum would have cost me good money. Your right no one in their right mind is going to say XYZ makes me £10000000s per day, your going to have to put in the work to find the niche's. We all had to do that at some point. You say your a loner, to an extent all IT involved people are, its an anti social way of life if you think about. Stuck in a darkend room for 14 hours a day with no one else, a near empty whisky bottle and pile of dirty washing on the floor. Sound familar? Your 20, no age to consider yourself a failure.
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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:08 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Your replies actually cheer me up a bit. Especially the parts about not giving up. I know that if it weren't for the fictional character Scrooge McDuck, I wouldn't have gone even this far. He's my idol. (The Don Rosa version.) I guess I'll just have to continue and stop thinking about things I can't control and time I can't have back. But it's damn hard.
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Wonderstuff
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:10 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Students . . . . . .
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ganderla
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:10 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Sounds more like you are the biggest procrastinator in the universe. Why don't you just finish a project instead of starting 2 new ones when you have 100 projects unfinished.
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Leosghost
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:12 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | sticky ..you can write ..your copy is good ..I have some spare bandwidth / space ..( and my kid likes to design games ..) ... maybe something might work ...maybe not ... ..oh lordy ..my speeling late at nite ...:o [edited by: Leosghost at 10:21 pm (utc) on Sep. 14, 2005]
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txbakers
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:15 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | I'll tell you what I told all my students back when I was a teacher: There will always be plenty of jobs available to scrub urinals, mow yards, haul garbage, and clean houses. Restaurants will always need waiters. The future is up to you. You can whine about it, or you can get off your duff and do something about it. Big deal you failed at something. Henry Ford bankrupted three times before being successful with Ford Motor Company. A mildly successful toy company used to make wooden toys until their factory burned to the ground. Instead of whining about it and asking for pity they rebuilt and started using plastic instead. Today we know them as Lego.
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rporeda
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:16 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Results? Why, man, I have gotten lots of results! If I find 10,000 ways something won't work, I haven't failed. I am not discouraged, because every wrong attempt discarded is a step forward.... - Thomas Edison
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dauction
| Msg#: 9800 posted 10:35 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Kimmo thanks for sharing.. you are correct that no one gives a #*$! about sites being perfect ..the coding aspects... whether they validate , whether thy are made by pure hand coding etc.. Other than as you point out the geeks.. None of that will RANK you in the search engines..which = $$$$$$$ Step 1 : Get a Computer Job You have great technical -geek- skills , companies will pay a good wage for those technical skills ..even without the Degree you can be hired. Do that FIRST ..This gets your finances in order , structure and a daily dose of socialization . Step 2 : while landing a job ..and the natural socialization of working outside the home you'll meet women all day long.. she's out there ..you wont find here in you're home office. Step3. Start a hobby website in your spare time on your gaming interest and write a few pages every week like you did in this thread..give your gaming the same heart and soul and the links will come as will the ranking as will the traffic as will the $$$$ Step4. Use that Hobby money for all extras in life ..taking your girlfriend out to dinner , buying her gifts .. helping your parents and siblings with those little unexpected gifts. Good Luck and let your self move on..
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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:01 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Well... I'm taking up phising/fraud before I clean toilets and things like that. Computer job... well... I searched for a job for a long time, and they wouldn't even let me go for a job interview when I sent my very detailed and well written CV to various computer stores and tech support jobs (low-tech computer jobs, in other words). That's when I decided that there was no point. Like I mentioned (I think), I am not suited for jobs where you have to interact with people and be nice to customers. I don't give up easily -- this thread is a result of a number of failures and disapointments in my life -- but I'm now fully convinced that I need to continue and not give up.
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zCat
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:11 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | Here's one possible course of action: drop everything, leave home, go to a big city somewhere for a year of two (another country in the EU for example) and get a job at some small IT / internet company (there are lots of them) even if it's for peanuts. Don't mess about with sending resumes and that kind of stuff from home - they land in the round file - just go. You'll gain far more experience and ideas that way than fiddling around with websites in your bedroom will ever bring. You can use your existing sites to demonstrate your skills, and your English seems very very good. (I did something similar when I was around your age, albeit pre-Internet, and much of the experience I picked up then is enabling me to produce innovative, profitable sites I would never have conceived in my provincial home). P.S. a few months ago I found myself being drawn into "one-upmanship" contests with other developers at a place I was working at ("my XHTML 1.1 is tons better than your miserable XHTML 1.0 transitional", that kind of thing). Then I noticed while their projects were visually all very "politically correct", the actual end result was rubbish, because the underlying software was useless. Of course I prefer my web-pages to be perfect in all aspects, but time spent worrying about what validator.w3.org says can be spent more profitably on developing actual content and functionality.
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TheGuyAboveYou
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:12 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | You have a lot of knowledge for just getting out of high school. I may be wrong but you may not be making income because you are too much on the technical side. I know a lot of people make money on the internet and don't care about PHP and hosting etc. Making money and technical knowledge are much different. Believe me I was an engineer for six years. Engineers don't make money. SALES does. Maybe start thinking about marketing and products and be less of a pure coder geek? Good luck with whatever path you take!
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mack
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:19 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | KimmoA dont think if it as failing, think if it as not succeeding yet. You certainly aren't at the end of the road, still young with a hell of a lot to do with yourself. You have the skills, the ability and more importaintly ambition. I wouldent call that failing, would you? :) Mack.
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zCat
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:25 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | | Well... I'm taking up phising/fraud before I clean toilets and things like that. |
| I cleaned toilets for a few months once (actually it was part of a janitorial job in an exotic city a long way from home). Now I come to think about it. if there had been things like blogs back then I could have made a really witty blog about it and at least gained some page rank. the combination of intercultural communication problems and personal hygiene issues makes for some very strange situations. (Hang on, this is the Internet, there's nothing stopping me from doing that blog now... [runs off to look for some old diaries]).
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appi2
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:27 pm on Sep 14, 2005 (gmt 0) | That was a refreshing change! Top tips
Stop reading those WW posts that say "hey I've made $300 on AS today" Ugly girls are cheaper to maintain ;) Always look on the bright side of life da doo da dooby dooby doo
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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 12:36 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | Note: I appreciate all your comments. I think you get that, but I still think I should mention it... | Maybe start thinking about marketing and products and be less of a pure coder geek? |
| Yeah... Well... I already think of myself as a "sellout" for making sites that only exist to make me money. However, I'm past trying to do things "perfect" on the Web, since there is no such thing. I'll save the real art for when I get the time to take up my awesome game projects (no, none of them is an RPG)... ;-) | Stop reading those WW posts that say "hey I've made $300 on AS today |
| Yeah... I wish I could. (Weee! I've learned how to make WW quotes!)
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moTi
| Msg#: 9800 posted 1:16 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | i think "hang on" and "keep up" is the wrong advice here. that will only lead you to the next misery. you want to continue your self-employment? think of your potential customers! what do you have to offer that could be interesting for people? only spammer sites are generated purely to make money. serve the users and the money will follow. yeah, you're a self-oriented tech-geek. that's the problem when you have the intention to earn money on the web. i'm a marketing freak with fair programming skills but completely uncapable to sell things directly to people. what i want to say is, you need at least one more additional skill in your profile for this job! be it marketing or sales. since you are only twenty, i give you a chance.
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timchuma
| Msg#: 9800 posted 1:27 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | My website has only ever made $1.60 in commissions from one site and $3.50 from another (I swapped over, so I will never be able to claim it.) I spend almost all my spare money on going to see live music and taking photos for my website. I regularly spend all day on the weekends editing and updating the content on my site. Am I enjoying it? Yes.
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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 1:45 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | timchuma: Yes... you can enjoy it as you have a stable income (I assume). My fingers are itching to set up a computer corner in my own one-roomer somewhere and continue coding oldschool games. My right element. That's why I'm gonna do everything in my power to start freakin' earning money. (I'd rather not talk about girls. That's too much misery for one thread. ;-))
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FlipFlops
| Msg#: 9800 posted 2:46 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | Seems to me you haven't failed at all my friend. You've learned how you feel about what you've done, you've accumulated feelings and responses regarding what you have and have not done. Forget the past and move forward with what you want to do. Complaining to us is not solving your problems -- but getting yourself into the right mindset will. Consider this -- you've got a roof over your head, a computer, and the desire to become more than what you are knowing what you know. You can either sit back and watch everyone succeed -- or you can focus on some goals, believe in yourself, and become one of those guys around the site who gets to say he's made $300 a day in AdSense. I'm not that guy either, but it's all about perspective. If you believe you can accomplish it, you will.
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crescenta
| Msg#: 9800 posted 2:57 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | I don't know if this will be any help to you, because I come from a completely different experience and point of view. My web technical skills are extremely modest. I know the basics of HTML, that's it. I use Dreamweaver. I am trying to learn php and ColdFusion, but who am I kidding? I'll never be any good at them—I'll learn to tinker with them, at best. I was a lot older than you when I started to learn how to use computers—let alone web design. It's harder to learn when you're already grown up. I'll never have the level of expertise that you do with programming. Never. I make okay money from my web sites. It could be better, but it's far more than I ever anticipated I'd ever make when I started out. The income pays for web hosting, software, with plenty left over for bills. I do just fine. My secret, such as it is, is that I have a wide variety of interests. I have several hobbies that I'm really into. I also have lesser interests—things that enthrall me in a small way. And I try to make web sites about all of them. I am of the belief that a person with only barebones HTML skills can make a living at web sites, if they write really good content. On the other hand, someone with really awesome programmings skills may make a lot of money employed by someone else, but on their own—what will their web sites be about? If they can't think of good content, it doesn't matter how "perfect" their sites are. They won't make very much. Of course, the mantra "Content is King" is very common, so I assume you've heard of it. And I'm sure you know it's true. The reason I make all my sites is that I have something inside me that is busting to get out. I need to tell everyone else about it. I need to write a tutorial, review a product, rant about an injustice, or whatever. Even if I didn't make any money on the site, I'd still write it. You'll find that a lot of people approach web authoring the same way that I do. There's a particular craft that I've always been good at—when I was very little I was good at it. I was a perfectionist, as a matter of fact. When I got older I would sell craft works, and I did okay. One of my friends also worked in this craft, but she sold better than me—even though her skills were decidedly less perfect than my own. This bothered me for a while, until an older, wiser friend told me that my friend (who sold so well) loved the particular style of craft she was doing. She wasn't perfect at execution, but her passion and love for it showed through somehow, and people picked up on that. They bought her work. My work was more "technical"—about being technically correct. It was still good, but it showed less passion (at least at that time). My feeling is that as time passes and you have more experiences in life, you'll find that your priorities and skills will "flesh out" a little. These experiences will show in the sorts of web sites you continue to create. The perfectionism you have developed now will pay off later on. I know that my perfectionism (in that particular craft) sure paid off for me. Be patient, grasshopper*. *"Grasshopper" is a reference from an old American TV show, "Kung Fu." ;)
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KimmoA
| Msg#: 9800 posted 3:58 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | Time for me to put in a message again. (I feel rude if I don't answer to the replies regularly...) :-) Especially crescenta wrote something that made me think. His/her story sounds like a metaphor for my situation. I hope to get my store up soon. You know... "normal"/sane people would just smash up a pre-written Web store solution. I write it myself because I feel like cheating if I use somebody else's, plus I simply like doing things my way and getting full power over the application. (Also, it's cheaper...)
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zulu_dude
| Msg#: 9800 posted 8:59 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | Two words: Hakuna Matata* At the end of the day, ask yourself whether what you're going through right now is still going to be a major problem in 10 years? 5 years? 2 years? 9 out of 10 times, it's not even going to be a problem in a year... life has a funny way of working itself out over a period of time. In the short term it looks like /\/\/\/\/\, which evens out to -------- over the long term. Just keep hanging on and wait for the next 'up'! You'll look back in a couple of years and wonder what all the fuss was about! * Swahili for 'No worries'. Thanks to Timon and Pumba from the 'Lion King'!
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jdvjdv
| Msg#: 9800 posted 11:30 am on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | I'm 21, I don't make a large income from websites either and I have been trying since the age of 12, like you. You know what I do to pay the bills while my internet empire grows? I lift crates of beer and study for my degree. Its hard work but you get alot of time to think up your next website. If only our mothers and fathers had been computer types, eh? So much for the mentor/protege model, if only. I will make sure I take a young person under my wing when I am 'older' and 'wiser'. Something tells me you will be doing the same, in between expensive holidays and cigar smoking, of course. :)
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texasville
| Msg#: 9800 posted 6:01 pm on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | I read between the lines and I see you are missing a lot. You have buried yourself in a computer since you were very young. You have not socialized or learned any people skills. I bet you haul out of class and home to the screen as fast as you can. Sorry, but I think you need therapy. You only gauge success and happiness when it concerns money-not job well done. I have a younger brother that tread the same path in a different manner. He is now a 48 year old loner. Never married. You need to talk to a real therapist-just don't take any of the seratonin pills if offered. A quick fix is not what you need. Best of luck.
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collymellon
| Msg#: 9800 posted 6:29 pm on Sep 15, 2005 (gmt 0) | Please come on, he dosen't need therapy. You need a business break-through whether its for your 'company' or another company for starters. If you get a job as say web designer for a company you build your skills (whilst getting paid) as well as learning the business world for when your own company will expand, you can build a solid base in the background whilst earning money for something you cleary enjoy doing - and good web \ game developers get good wages (wages I dream of).
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