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Why webmaster
Are you an artist at heart?
webjourneyman




msg:345414
 3:34 pm on Jul 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

How many in this forum have considered trying out as a writer or another type of artist but settled for creating and maintaining websites because there´s a greater potentual for actually making a living of it?
I know I have, just want to see if there are others.

 

rocknbil




msg:345415
 6:27 pm on Jul 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is probably the most unbusinesslike way to approach this, but I swear it's true.

I have a BFA in Art, and indeed tried my hand at commercial airbrush art, design, layout, etc., all before the age of the internet, and wound up in the printing industry.

The only thing that keeps me on the web and computers in general is not so much the potential for income but the access to a new palette and brush. A canvas that changes over time, and is almost always different for every viewer. A palette not only of color, sound, and movement but one in which the viewer can interact and respond to.

</hopeless romantic>

But yeah, eating and living indoors is kind of nice. :-)

Conard




msg:345416
 7:19 pm on Jul 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm an artist and have been making a so so living from it for many years.
The Internet has allowed me greater exposer but has also changed my skills to more of a production type art.
I used to love the design aspect of being a webmaster but that got boring after a couple of years.
I'm back to focusing most of my time on the art/craft of what I have done for so long and trying to keep up with the Internet side of things on a part time basis.

tbear




msg:345417
 9:28 pm on Jul 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

rocknbil - That sounds to me like a very good reason for making web sites.......

2by4




msg:345418
 5:52 pm on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Conard has this right if you're talking about real art. Don't mistake the fun of learning a craft with art. The term 'settle' is pretty accurate. This doesn't take away from the craft aspect of coding/programming/web design, but it's just a craft, which can be done at a very high level. superbad [superbad.com] is one of the very few sites I've seen that I'd consider 'art', since it has absolutely no reason to exist but does anyway, but even that is more like candy than meat.

stu2




msg:345419
 8:25 pm on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

webjourneyman

I'm an accountant and I don't make 1 cent from my website. Now that's true art :)

Iguana




msg:345420
 8:48 pm on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just a not good enough musician. Very interesting question though - but judging by the visual appeal of most websites (and the literacy) not enough artists/writers are doing this.

grandpa




msg:345421
 8:56 pm on Jul 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm a poet and songwriter, never good enough with either to make a living. But the creative abilities easily cross over to programming. Unfortunately, I believe fuschia is a good color, so my eye has little talent.

meg8




msg:345422
 1:08 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

I love superbad, what a great site!

Except, I don't understand.

ronin




msg:345423
 3:36 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

My background is in journalism.

I used to work as an in-house reporter.
When the newspaper downsized during the slump at the end of 2001, I found myself looking for a job.

Initially I wanted to go freelance and write independently for journals which would publish my articles.

Then I thought: "Why bother spending so much time looking for publications which will publish my work? Why not just publish it?"

So I did.

webjourneyman




msg:345424
 4:02 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does something have to be meningless outside its own context to be considered art? Does a craft honed to perfection not qualify?

From what I gather here there is a definite individualistic streak among webmasters. Some do it becouse they like creating sites but many dream of living of their creations, if they are not already that is.

The meaning of art is where it takes you.

2by4




msg:345425
 7:45 pm on Jul 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

" I love superbad, what a great site!

Except, I don't understand."

Seems like you understand it perfectly, you love it, and think it's a great site. That's all it is, that's all that site has ever been, it's been around a long time, he changes it around now and then, adds stuff. There's nothing to understand, that's why I mentioned that site as one of the very few I've ever seen that I consider to be art.

" Does something have to be meningless outside its own context to be considered art?"

Art isn't meaningless outside of its own context, that's what makes it so valuable, and why it's given so much respect. It communicates to people, it's a sort of meta language. It carries a far greater meaning than craft, that's why people pay a lot of money for art.

You can make the term art as loose as you want, the looser you make it, the less useful it is. However, in this context, from the first posting, it's sounds to me that you are referring to art in the stricter sense of fine art, the stuff you learn about in art school, literature classes etc. If you're talking about art as a product of human activities, then anything done well is art, but that makes it so broad that the term doesn't have much utility. Van Gogh made art, a commercial illustrator or web designer makes, well, commercial illustration/web design. It can be very well done, but it was done for a reason outside of itself, it has some purpose or function outside of the creative process.

This doesn't mean art is 'meaningless outside of its own context', it just means that art occupies a higher position on the scale of creative endeavors than well done craft like web stuff. Very few artists have any difficulty seeing this distinction by the way, although I think they might tend to respect high quality craft more than most people, since it requires many of the same skills and discipline to create.

"Does a craft honed to perfection not qualify?"

A craft honed to perfection is a craft honed to perfection, as you said. I think there's a certain tendency to denigrate craft, artisanship, and because of that, a corresponding tendency to want to call craft art, to bring it back up to the level it should be. In the looser sense craft is absolutely art, without any question, look up art in a good dictionary and that's the definition, but that's not what you were asking, at least not the way I read your question.

My websites are finely crafted, and some of my programming stuff has been accused of being 'art', but as far as I'm concerned, it's just well done engineering, which may or may not be used to contain or do something of greater value. The same exact site code and programming and design could contain different things, it's just a container, like the frame of a painting. I try not to confuse the quality of the frame with the quality of the painting.

Anyway, I started web stuff thinking it could be art, but after doing it for long enough I don't think that anymore. That doesn't stop me from applying very high levels of craftsmanship to my stuff, but I don't think it's art at all, it's just well crafted.

<sorry tedster... >

Gargen




msg:345426
 6:44 am on Jul 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

i do it out of love of programming and graphic design (i run a programming and graphic design site)

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