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henry0

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Msg#: 7288 posted 12:01 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Rosalind in another topic had the following comment
which is the reason for that thread:

"Of course it depends how narrowly you define "webmaster", because it can mean anything from graphic designer or programmer to a business person who runs the site but isn't involved in the actual building of it, plus many other sub-categories of webmaster jobs in between.'

How do you define webmaster?

regards

Henry

 

nzmatt

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:25 am on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, wasn't 'Webster' some type of annoying sitcom from years ago - if anyone here is old enough to remember? :)

vkaryl

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:27 am on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

nzmatt, I am UNDOUBTEDLY old enough to remember - if I did sitcoms. Which I don't.

Last tv program I watched regularly was Star Trek - the ORIGINAL one - in b&w (I think it was in color, but we were the last family in Vegas to have a color tv....)

nzmatt

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:29 am on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

...no wonder you don't watch much... :)

vkaryl

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:46 am on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not sure how to take that, but I prefer to assume that since I saw the best, I chose to leave the rest alone! *laughing*

I actually just never have had much interest in tv as "amusement" - it's the timewaster to end all timewasters, and very little more.... I do watch (well, listen to - the tv's behind me while I'm at the computer) football, baseball, basketball, horse racing and rodeo; the Olympic equestrian events and ice skating events; and the decent hunting shows on OLN.

However, if my husband weren't around, I wouldn't even own a tv....

nzmatt

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:48 am on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anyone seen 'Webster'?

Here is Webster: [sitcomsonline.com...]

That's what I think of when I hear that someone is a 'Webster' :)

webtress

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Msg#: 7288 posted 4:36 am on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ask any store owner who has hired a "Webmaster" who do they call when there is a problem with the site 9 out of ten will say their Webmaster, the other 1 will call his or her spouse. Once a site has been developed an is live someone must oversee it that is usually the webmaster whether he or she fixes it directly or coordinates with others it is his or her job to get it done. As for webster it was a character on the show also the name of one of my computer. Even though I found the term a bit masculine I got over it for the sake of site owners and the general public.

henry0

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Msg#: 7288 posted 12:16 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

PericlesStrategy
Thank you for being straightforward

I started this thread from reading in another thread
Rosalind comments [webmasterworld.com]
an interesting comment
Which triggered the present thread
However now somehow diluted!

Think about it
How many times have you encountered someone that will state even if you didn’t mention it
"So you are a web master.." "BTW what exactly is a WM?"

Regards

Bentler

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:31 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not to dilute the thread any more than it needs to be, but I just came across a site with a Webservant-- seems much clearer.

henry0

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Msg#: 7288 posted 4:22 pm on Dec 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hmmm. Servant is tied to church and sounds like a middle-age low ranked butler, not my vote!

zenn

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Msg#: 7288 posted 4:14 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Regarding the term webmaster * or webmistress. I was first referred to as the WebMistress at one of first jobs as the webmaster at a Las Vegas Casino. Ok we did joke occassionaly about whipping some folks into shape, but hey we have to have some humor or it would just be to dang serious all the time in the work place to sincerely enjoy your work good or bad.

So what is a webmaster to me? A webmaster is someone that knows how a computer works, software programs, resolve hardware, software and firmware problems. A webmaster knows Computer programming languages, network administration, routers, hubs, various computer platforms, from AS400s, NT, Linux, email administration, network security, encription, web site design and developement using HTML, Java, Java Scripts, CGI, PL, XML, CSS, PHP and graphics. A Webmaster does understand how the Internet works from Internet Marketing, Advertising, web site promotion and search engine optimization. Being a webmaster is truly a multi-facited title and honestly a endless list of things we can do with computers and on the Internet.

I received my Computer Science Degree and Business Administration. I have kept up with computer programming since 1983. Born a geek girl, and yes I did receive this gift from my father an original Geek!

henry0

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Msg#: 7288 posted 4:31 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Zenn, Welcome on WebmasterWorld
Your post concurs with mine in that the Webmaster is required to wear that many hats (I wish I could wear that many hats)
And those many hats result from a basic formation seasoned with many more added flavors, server management, high languages etc...
Therefore rendering the creation of an U diploma almost unattainable, unless it would be at least a “4 to 6 years master”!

I am also in PHP, but you forgot mentioning ASP
Watch your back the ASP coders might make a move :)

Regards

Henry

cabbie

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:19 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Crikey, by all accounts here I am no webmaster!:(
I won't argue with you as I can't even use dreamweaver properly, little own master html or other codes or do any programming, but what do I call myself?
I do maintain after all 500 websites that make a lot of money.
Isn't there any other title I can call myself?
Apart from spammer that is

paybacksa

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:42 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

vkaryl:
because while I have wondrous pictures in my imagination, I can't get them into a visual medium of any sort. In other words I'm not an artist.

My dear lady, if you can imagine wondrous images, you are, indeed, an artist. There are many technicians masquerading as artists, and many, many artists who haven't yet mastered a physical medium.

rocknbil:
I work for an an ISP...People pay you $12-$20 month for a domain, they are somehow under the impression that you are responsible for helping them make it all work... if it's broke it seems like the first thing they do is call.

Yes, you have a valid gripe BUT I am knowledgable and I use such hosting firms and I wonder:

Why do these ISP tech support guys prefer to fix the problem behind the scenes and then tell me "I tried it and it seems to be working", instead of acknowledging that someone wasn't right and offering to fix it (or reporting it as fixed)? It happens frequently, and I have the dig/tracert/nslookup/DNS/ini/conf evidence to prove it.

As for webmasters...
Unfortunately webmaster is practically a derogative term nowadays. In the corporate world it pays relatively little, and therefore little is expected of them. Too many clueless managers seek out a webmaster with full expectation that the webmaster will do everything for them as if it were magic (write content, code, graphics, sysadmin, set strategy, foster business aliances, budget, procure, train, etc).

To me a good webmaster is worth as much as a good DBA.

Title does not imply qualifications, and unfortunately it seems the webmaster category is bottom heavy with inexperienced or entry-level web workers. What Director of Internet Strategy or VP of Internet Operations wants to be called a webmaster? (even though thatis very often exactly what they are!)

AAnnAArchy

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Msg#: 7288 posted 3:33 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

cabbie
I do maintain after all 500 websites that make a lot of money.
Isn't there any other title I can call myself?

If you own all of the sites, do all of the work yourself and make a lot of money, I think you can call yourself anything you want.

twist

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Msg#: 7288 posted 7:14 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

cabbie, posts:836
Crikey, by all accounts here I am no webmaster!sad
I won't argue with you as I can't even use dreamweaver properly, little own master html or other codes or do any programming, but what do I call myself?
I do maintain after all 500 websites that make a lot of money.

You have posted 836 time to webmasterworld. Maintain 500 websites that all make money but don't know how to use dreamweaver, don't know html, and have no programming experience.

Define 'maintain'? Thats like saying your a car mechanic that fixes 20 cars a day but doesn't know a wrench from a screwdriver.

AAnnAArchy

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 7288 posted 8:11 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

twist
Maintain 500 websites that all make money but don't know how to use dreamweaver...

He said he didn't know how to use Dreamweaver properly, which could mean anything from he only knows the basics to he isn't a Dreamweaver expert.

cabbie

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Msg#: 7288 posted 9:08 am on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

hehe.yes i own all the sites,well at least my aliases do and I can handle basic dreamweaver.
All sites done by hand and nearly all the content is original.No auto generated pages and by maintaining them,I mean that they get updated when needed.(like changing my links from a banned site to a new one)
As for my 836 posts, disregard them they are mainly one liners trying to be funny.

>>>Thats like saying your a car mechanic that fixes 20 cars a day but doesn't know a wrench from a screwdriver.<<<
Yes it is like that.I am a webmaster that builds 20 sites a day but doesn't know a 301 from a 302.Amazing hey!? Most of my sites were made on windows 95 using dreamweaver3 on a 2nd hand pass me down computer.Yet I made $400,000 profit last year.
I can't believe it myself.:)

twist

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:38 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, if you made most the sites using dreamweaver 3 and have the ability to maintain all of them with so little effort that you have time to create 20 new websites a day. That tells me that none of these 500+ sites probably have shopping carts. So they are either generating money from donations or click-thru adds. I can't imagine many people feeling the need to donate money to a website that was created in 1/20 of a day, unless the website had certain "questionable" files available to download to paying members only. So I am going to go with click-thru ads as your source of profit, which makes me think of adult entertainment or spammer throwing up websites to collect google ads or something similiar.

My last and final guess is your a private eye that takes photos of people in compromising situations and then puts a webpage up with the pictures and tell them if they don't pay up you will sent a link to their significant other or parents.

rocknbil

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Msg#: 7288 posted 7:32 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, you have a valid gripe BUT I am knowledgable and I use such hosting firms and I wonder:
Why do these ISP tech support guys prefer to fix the problem behind the scenes and then tell me "I tried it and it seems to be working", instead of acknowledging that someone wasn't right . . .?

It was not a gripe, it was an explanation to another question. As for your question - can't answer that, our company doesn't work that way. If an upgrade was performed that disabled a site feature - our T.S. says so.

paybacksa

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Msg#: 7288 posted 3:02 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

It was not a gripe, it was an explanation to another question.

Sorry... mine looks like a gripe though.

Dreamweaver3? Well, perhaps there's a clue. If I had 500 sites online from the days of Dreamweaver3 they would have pretty strong search engine perseverance...and high PR and how many high PR backlinks after what, 8 years online?

timchuma

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Msg#: 7288 posted 10:24 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

A webmaster is a dog anyone in the company can kick if they feel like it...at least that's what it's like for me where I work.

vkaryl

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Msg#: 7288 posted 11:12 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

paybacksa: thank you. That was a very nice thing for you to post, and it really made my day.

I should have perhaps phrased a bit more cogently, in that while I'm not an artist in physical media, since I write (and logically that's where my mental "images" land) I DO consider myself "artisitic" in that way....

And back on topic: I STILL prefer "webbie"....

rocknbil

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:45 am on Dec 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

A webmaster is a dog anyone in the company can kick if they feel like it....

LOL! That is AWESOME! haha! I was just telling my wife last night, "You know, if I look at my company through the glasses of Office Space, I come to the frightening conclusion that I AM the stapler guy."

cabbie

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Msg#: 7288 posted 11:52 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>If I had 500 sites online from the days of Dreamweaver3...<<
Mine were all made in the last 18 months or so.

BTW seeing I don't qualify for webmaster I have decided to call myself a web tycoon.

zenn

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Msg#: 7288 posted 1:54 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thank you Henry0 for the welcome:) I agree I have a few degrees but not for Webmaster *smiles* Maybe we should start our own University Henry0? The hats have come from many jobs, many places and many classes for over 20 years Henry0. Sometimes when you know so many different things people do take advantage of you and I have had to well learn to put my foot down. I am too easy going, and this has been my personal demise <g>

BTW I am currently working with one company in town that is working with ASP, the IT folks created templates for all the other offices to use. So each office thinks they have a webmaster/website designer. Why because they update they content on their part of the site using CSM and ASP. Umm what more can I say there...

I have been on roof tops trying to resolve network/hub problems when it was 118 in a dress, then making a board meeting for a presentation to the members and pres all sweaty and then down to the basement taking out virus. Along with doing my job with the Internet/intranet and other duties. It was a handful and it seems once they know what you can do they just ask for more and more. PHP is fun and I should do more of it. For that matter I have been working so hard as of late I need to plan just have some fun. Girlz really do just want to have fun~~~

Warmest Regards

Zenn

paybacksa

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:11 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have been on roof tops trying to resolve network/hub problems when it was 118 in a dress, then making a board meeting for a presentation to the members and pres all sweaty and then down to the basement taking out virus. Along with doing my job with the Internet/intranet and other duties. It was a handful and it seems once they know what you can do they just ask for more and more. PHP is fun and I should do more of it. For that matter I have been working so hard as of late I need to plan just have some fun. Girlz really do just want to have fun

I think this goes along with the "someone the company wants to kick" comment.

A "webmaster" should not be doing whatever is needed like this (virus eradicaton, rooftop datacomm troubleshooting, presentations) except in rare circumstances (equity partner, formal management training program, vacation coverage perhaps).

You can't be "all you can be" as a webmaster if you are doing these other chores. I would take it as a sign of poor management or strategic mis-management of your position. In either case there is not likely a good future for you in such a company (rare cases excepted, as noted -- I am not talking about giving 200% in a start-up when equity or reputation is the line)

webnerd

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:38 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Essentialy term "webmaster" is a term recognizable by web surfers as the person or persons who have the password enabling them to make updates to a given website.

Contact webmaster@hisorherhostsite.com usually would be understood as the place to report errors etc.

That person (Webmaster) may be very capable or incapable
but is the only one who has the password to update the website in question.
He or she may not even know how to read his or her email that you send. But still he or she is the reponsible party.
Hence he or she is that website's webmaster for better for for worst.
He or she may not even know how to update his or her site. But He or she is still the webmaster.
The term webmaster does not imply anything about technical abilities when you see webmaster@anysite.com at the bottom of the page.

zenn

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Msg#: 7288 posted 2:55 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

[I think this goes along with the "someone the company wants to kick" comment.

A "webmaster" should not be doing whatever is needed like this (virus eradicaton, rooftop datacomm troubleshooting, presentations) except in rare circumstances (equity partner, formal management training program, vacation coverage perhaps).

You can't be "all you can be" as a webmaster if you are doing these other chores. I would take it as a sign of poor management or strategic mis-management of your position. In either case there is not likely a good future for you in such a company (rare cases excepted, as noted -- I am not talking about giving 200% in a start-up when equity or reputation is the line)]

It was basically mismanagement on their part and your are correct! I am no longer working there... wonder why? It was their first job description/new position they had created for the organization. The IT manager wrote it to include his work as well as some of the AS400 programs work too. Which did included internet sites, intranets, mail administration, network administrator, rebooting all servers for the property, applying security patches to systems, networking security, network trouble shooting, oncall status, meetings with Marketing, Advertising etc and when needed backup for two IT Techs. (can we say understaffed)

Presentations to board members was included due to their investments and need to understand the relationship of the websites for the company structure. Plus they just plain through in things people did not wish to deal with etc. Now two years later they have 4 people doing the one position I held. I left for the very reasons listing above and more. Lessons learned by all. As for me I am on my own now and doing well.

Regards

Zenn

twist

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Msg#: 7288 posted 4:02 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's hard working with new technology because nobody around you has any idea what your doing. For example, I have never went under my house and worked on the pipes but I have a pretty good idea how it is done. When my house is flooding I don't have any reserves about calling a plumber and paying $80/hour for him to fix a leak. No different for when sparks are flying off my circuit breaker. I wouldn't think twice about paying an electrician $80/hour to fix the problem. I understand electricution and fire well enough to justify paying the price. It's amazing how little people think goes into your job when they have no understanding of what you do.

Just the other day, my friend, thinking he is doing me a great favor, tells me that his minor league football teams webmaster has left and they want someone to come in and build a new website. Nothing more than a forum, a roster with pictures, game calendar, and news page. Of course it will all have to be with matching team colors and design. Oh, and of course, I will have to take care of the hosting. Not to mention the hundreds of emails I will get from players and visitors alike asking questions on how to use the forum which they assume I will spend hour after hour over months of time answering.

I can do all of this and they will give me a whopping $500. It'll cost at least $200 to find decent enough hosting service that I wont be getting a load of emails everytime the host goes down. This leaves me with $300. Well, going by a rate of $80/hour this will give me almost 4 hours to complete and maintain the website.

I wonder what kind of website I can create and maintain in 4 hours. Sure, my reputation would be included in this website. The website would look like crap and people would think that I have no web skills and not hire me to make their websites.

They will spend $360/week to put a static add in the newspaper that reaches about 10,000 people but shelling out $500/year for a website that is accessable by everyone in the world is more than generous.

A good example why webmasters need better more descriptive names. Lets say the owner of this football team knows a dumb kid that goes around telling everybody he is a webmaster. Now the owner thinks any moron can be a webmaster. Sure the dumb kid only has a geocities account but the team owner doesn't know enough to differientiate between the two. He assumes this dumb kid can do it so it must be so easy that why on earth should he pay someone $80/hour to build one.

henry0

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Msg#: 7288 posted 6:57 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Don’t you love it? We are back on track, perhaps not having a drink handy; pending on which quadrant of the world you are posting from, but having a good conversation!
So if I try to summarize in only a few words some of the concerns

A)Title does not matter – although one needs a label if postulating for a new job and passing resumes around
B)Most important seems to be job description

And an important tip:
Try to figure if you are the first ever hired for the position
If so a requirement is to be gifted with ubiquity

Hmm found a definition for ubiquity doesn’t it sound familiar?

<<<
Existence or apparent existence everywhere at the same time; omnipresence: “the repetitiveness, the selfsameness, and the ubiquity of modern mass culture” (Theodor Adorno)
>>>

The_Hat

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Msg#: 7288 posted 7:26 pm on Dec 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Spot on twist,
Had a fella that was looking to have a site done awhile back, We were in communication for a bit till he found out that his nephew could put something on the internet for him.

All I could say was "good luck with that" in the nicest possible way and let it go.

It begs the question how can you educate the potential client enough to appropriately value your services without wasting a wheel barrow load of your own time. If the potential client can't see through his own ignorance the difference between what his nephew can do and what you can do there is very little you can do the persuade him from his path.

Then when he does have his nephew put up something for him. Gets lack-luster to no results it puts him off from the internet as a whole., Just can't win.

Anybody with a geocites account can call themselves a webmaster.

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