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Female webmasters?
Yangtze




msg:341619
 3:18 pm on Dec 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just curious to know if there is any female webmasters.
From my imagination, this is a quite male dominated industry, right?

 

createErrorMsg




msg:341709
 1:22 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

The girls are taking over

They're not taking over; it was theirs to begin with.

hannamyluv




msg:341710
 2:05 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

how many of you are the more tech savvy of your house?

My husband and I were together a few years before he even turned on a computer. Eventually, I set him up with email and whatnot and I would see him surfing around the net for a few hours every day. One day, he complains to me that he can't find any sites about his favorite game (he's big into board and role playing games). I thought this was odd, b/c while his favorite game may not have mass popularity, it does have a cult following. So I typed in the name of the game into Google and thousands of sites came up. He looked at me in amazment and said "How did you do that?"

Turns out that when I set him up on the computer, I failed to mention something called a "search engine" and he had been scouring printed gaming magazines looking for urls of sites on subjects he wanted to read about.

Sari




msg:341711
 3:06 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Another woman accounted for here! :)

So, of the women who've responded -- how many of you are the more tech savvy of your house?

My husband is pretty tech savvy--but mostly when it comes to client hardware (he's a mac fanatic!). He can solve any problem with a mac and related software. I just couldn't see him managing a server--or a website for that matter! ;) So I'd have to say that we're equally tech savvy--just in different ways. How's that for a diplomatic answer?

paybacksa




msg:341712
 3:46 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yep, plenty of issues...and plenty of other threads to discuss those issues.

hahaha.. well put!

Am I noticing that the women webmasters have largely hooked up with partners who are less tech savvy they they? Bias towards more outgoing webmasters noted (it takes a post to get counted).

Personally, I can think of nothing better to do with my partner in the quiet romantic evenings than de-obfuscating some SEOers js... it is so satisfying (NOT!)

jsavvy293




msg:341713
 3:53 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

another woman here, and definately the more tech savvy of the house :)

bunltd




msg:341714
 4:03 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is also a stereotype (I believe) that female webmasters are mostly designers but some of us are more programming oriented.

Yes, that one is still out there. Some people look at you, shocked, when you tell them you do programming and server-side stuff... :o it's kinda funny.

How many women here can change the car's oil?

I can, in fact, I've rebuilt a carburetor, changed spark plugs, ported/polished an intake manifold and replaced it, and other stuff. Don't do it anymore, though.

tech savvy in household

We're both savvy, but he's more hardware/networking, I'm more web/software. It's a good balance.

This thread has been fun!

LisaB

vkaryl




msg:341715
 4:37 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

LisaB - I ditto your car abilities. I can also do plumbing better than most of the local plumbers, swing a hammer, rewire a lamp.... and on and on.

>>tech-savvy: NOT HE. He's nearly 15 years older than I, hasn't a clue how to turn on my machines, can't figure out that to dial someone back you simply display their phone number and hit the Talk button, and when he hits the wrong button on the remote (a QUITE frequent occurrence!), hollers for help before the blue screen lands.

He's a retired bean counter. Was a financial institutions examiner for 30+ years. He knows numbers and money. He likes sports, hunting, fishing, horses. He can build anything house-wise, and we DID build our own home. But tech leaves him completely cold....

Oh well. We make a pretty good amalgam!

GreenLeaf




msg:341716
 4:41 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Another woman here, another one-woman show!
I'm rather programming and design fan, i hate write content but have to do it ... :-))

cabbie




msg:341717
 6:44 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I bow to all the women webmasters.I loves you all but are there any female search engine spammers?
If so then I am really in love.(L)

faltered




msg:341718
 8:51 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Both my BF and I are tech savvy. He works in IT for the school districts here, doing troubleshooting, server stuff, etc.

He's more of the hardware, set-up, and troubleshooting guy, whereas I'm the software and web gal. It's a nice balance and it's fun being able to "talk shop" with someone who can sort of grasp what I'm saying.

For some reason I've always been drawn to the computer nerd type. Brains can be so sexy ;)

pmkpmk




msg:341719
 8:52 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

@cabbie:

Oh, I didn't realize this was a dating-thread. Or were you rather issuing a dating-threat?

(Hey, that was a GOOD one for a non-native speaker...)

cabbie




msg:341720
 9:08 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

No threat Pmkpmk.I would admire and infatuate from afar.

twist




msg:341721
 9:15 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

For curiousity sakes, I am wondering out of the woman in the thread, how many can read a piece of code and understand it. Mostly to see how many of the woman also do programming for their websites.

for( x = 1; x < 15; x++ ) {
y = x + 1;
if( ( ( y / x ) % 2 ) > 0 ) { z = 12; }
else { z = 13; }
}
Answer is x = 15, y = 15, z = 12

You don't have to solve the problem as the answer is already given, just a simple yes or no on whether you understand it.

cabbie




msg:341722
 9:28 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Twist,I really don't think your post is becoming of a gentleman.Please withraw as it offends my sensibilities.
I myself, a man of undoubted masculinity have no idea what the code is about.:)

Essex_boy




msg:341723
 9:36 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Neither has he, he was just showing off!

twist




msg:341724
 9:37 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Twist,I really don't think your post is becoming of a gentleman.Please withraw as it offends my sensibilities.
I myself, a man of undoubted masculinity have no idea what the code is about.happy!

The post isn't meant to offend anybody. What does masculinity have to do with being a programmer anyway? There are many ways people describe programming, some people think writing html is programming some people think that only people who write assembly language know how to program. Instead of blindly saying, who is a programmer, I added a bit of code that most programmers would understand, a simple for loop, if-else statement and modulos. Nothing they wouldn't teach you in your freshman year at college if you were going for a computer science degree.

As someone noted in another thread, webmaster, is a pretty generic term that can define all sorts of things. The simple question was how many of the woman here are programmers. I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that asking a woman if she is a programmer is somehow offensive.

[edited by: twist at 9:42 pm (utc) on Dec. 7, 2004]

twist




msg:341725
 9:41 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Neither has he, he was just showing off!

I was just asking a simple question. No different than the first posters question of how many woman are webmasters.

vkaryl




msg:341726
 9:43 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I knew it was an if-else loop, because I code those for MUSH. I don't call html or MUSH softcode "programming" as I stated earlier - I call it "coding", along with css, php, and js.

It actually wouldn't prove a thing, you know, since you didn't just throw it up there and say "what do you do with it?"

But then, you can code perfectly good if-then-else macros in WordPerfect simply by recording keystrokes, without knowing an iota of "code". Actually, the first if-else code I ever wrote was in a DOS batch file in about 1985....

createErrorMsg




msg:341727
 9:48 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey, ever notice that webbies were never called "webmen"? Perhaps the only profession in the world that started out politically correct.

Twist, here's a challenge that is the approximate equivalent of the one you issued...

"How many of you men out there can decipher the following instructions:
Bake for 20 minutes in a preheated oven at 350 degrees..."

Challenging women specifically to deciphering a code snippet implies that women in general will not understand it, when the reality is HUMANS in general will not understand it. Only geeky, nerd-folk will. (My wife makes fun of me everytime I print out a page of code. She has all these funny little joke speeches where she asks me to go to the store using nothing but variables...oh, hahaha. Funny lady).

Rick42




msg:341728
 9:49 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

they like to be called webmistresses

disgust




msg:341729
 10:03 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

edit: oops, made a mistake ;-)

twist




msg:341730
 10:05 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Let me try to clear things up a little bit,

If someone gave me 100 students that said they knew programming and I had to decide which students would go in the intermediate class and which students were to go into the expert class I would need some sort of test. I couldn't simply say, who is a expert programmer and who is a intermediate programmer. I don't think a single person here could answer that question.

If I had phrased the question this way, how many woman or intermediate programmers and how many are experts, how exactly can a person guage themselves to this standard. I consider myself a super beginner when it comes to programming. I know there are a lot of good programmers that visit this site because I have gotton a ton of help here.

It wasn't meant to put anybody down or offend anybody, it was simply a guage to see how many have done a lot of programming and how many haven't. If someone put up a similiar test asking how many men can read a certian engineering blueprint or whatever, I would simply say yes or no. I would not be offended.

cabbie




msg:341731
 10:05 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Twist,my fault with your post was not that you asked which lady was a programmer but that you asked them to prove it.
A lady's word is enough for me.:)

twist




msg:341732
 10:13 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Challenging women specifically to deciphering a code snippet

I had to take a home econimics class in high school. On the very first day the teacher asked us different questions like, who has boiled a egg, who has made a cake and so on. Most of the girls in the class would raise their hands most of the guys wouldn't. So, was the teacher being a manilupative man-hating sexist or was she simply trying to guage people skill level?

twist




msg:341733
 10:15 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Twist,my fault with your post was not that you asked which lady was a programmer but that you asked them to prove it.
A lady's word is enough for me.

But I didn't ask them to prove it, I gave the answer to the problem. I simple yes or no was all I asked.

deejay




msg:341734
 10:19 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Rick42:
they like to be called webmistresses

Speaking as one of them, no, they don't. Or not all of them anyway. :)

disgust




msg:341735
 10:19 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had to take a home econimics class in high school. On the very first day the teacher asked us different questions like, who has boiled a egg, who has made a cake and so on. Most of the girls in the class would raise their hands most of the guys wouldn't. So, was the teacher being a manilupative man-hating sexist or was she simply trying to guage people skill level?

you're not a teacher. we don't need to prove ourselves to you. personally, I thought it came off as pretty arrogant.

not to mention the formatting on that when posted here is really horrible ;-)

and I also echo the nay on webmisstress thing, just for what it's worth!

pageoneresults




msg:341736
 10:22 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Wow, this topic has been non-stop. I see something developing here. Maybe a new forum for WebmasterWorld? Something along the lines of...

WebmasterWorld Personals
Find your perfect coding partner.

AAnnAArchy




msg:341737
 10:25 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I don't like webmistress either. It makes me feel like calling myself Elvira.

I proudly confess to not having a clue as to what Twist's post referred. I don't like math, nor anything that looks like it, unless it's on a check. I like words and pretty pictures.

TheDoctor




msg:341738
 10:26 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

twist: a tip. When you've dug yourself into a hole, stop digging. Walk away. You're not going to improve matters by explaining.

Not that it isn't entertaining. ;)

Brains can be so sexy

What I've always believed. I've just found that most women are coy about admitting it.

Triarii




msg:341739
 10:42 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Twist -- you can twist in the wind on your own. That's why no one is wasting time on your "tell me 'yes' or 'no'" line.

In regards to my initial query:
My husband's a licensed general aviation pilot (single engine aircraft). He got his pilot's license long after we got married. So while I said I'm the more tech-savvy in my house, that doesn't apply to aviation -- a challenging and technical pursuit, in its own right.

My hubby understands enough code to understand when I'm cursing over a temporary programming issue and walk him through the pseudocode -- he just doesn't particularly get excited about coding. We met online in the late 80's so we're both card carrying geeks; no way to deny that one.

To me a "geek" is really anyone who's on the top of their game in some involved, technical pursuit (hobby or otherwise).

Anyway, while I personally like being a female geek I'm not saying all women in this field have to be geeks to "fit in" just as all men I deal with online don't qualify as geeks, either.

To the person who asked why gender matters -- there are 14 pages in this thread of why it matters. That, and it gets old receiving emails from fellow web developers, web designers or small business people with the default salutation, "Dear Mr. XXXX" when I'm a female, have been all my life and always will be. In that regard, I see nothing wrong with a thread like this that provides a little eye opening.

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