| 8:15 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Some newly hired PhD (a woman with a degree in cognitive psychology of all things) approached me and asked, dumbfounded, "Doesn't it bother you to be the only female on your team?" I smiled and told her, "No, why ever would it? We're all geeks and programmers." |
Why would a woman working with a group of men be bothered? I would have no problem whatsoever working with a complete crew of woman. I used to work packing cherries in high school. They stuck me on a packline that was all woman. Thirty to one ratio, never complained a bit :)
| 8:40 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It all depends on the dynamics of the group. There were men I worked with from other teams and they were arrogant and condescending to all women. Had I been on a team populated by such men, my answer to the inquiring PhD would have been vastly different.
If personalities and work ethics mesh, in my experience, that counteracts any gender, racial, religious or other differences. If personalities clash or don't meld well, that's where tension and issues arise.
For example, I've worked on a team of primarily women and been driven crazy due to clashing personalities. I don't mesh well among too many "Office Gossips" or "Victims" or "Work Shirkers".
| 8:59 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
erased. irrelevant ramblings. sorry.
| 10:18 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|For example, I've worked on a team of primarily women and been driven crazy due to clashing personalities. I don't mesh well among too many "Office Gossips" or "Victims" or "Work Shirkers". |
Yup. Been there done that one. I've always been better with men on a team, as long as they weren't into the "little woman should be happy at home instead of trying to do a man's job" or worse, the "what say we get together after work and hop into the sack" stuff....
['nother caveat: Considering that my work life began in 1970, I've maybe seen a lot more of the worst side of women-in-the-workplace stuff than some of you....]
| 10:32 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
heh... had no idea vkaryl was female either.
but then I regularly get taken for male here as well.
deejay = Deanna Jean
| 11:04 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
what is a 'female'? I sit in front of my computer 18 hours a day....I don't think I've ever seen one of those ;-)
| 11:37 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've worked with a designer (a female one) and let me tell you, I like her work better than every male designer i've worked with... She keeps thing simple, organized and pretty... Me, I just go in the background and program everything...
So, it isn't no surprise at all to see women working in web development... Lots of portuguese web design companies have female web designers and they do have bigger success than other companies... It's a female sence...
That's why I always ask my girlfriend to see how my websites are, so I can have a opinion from someone with better taste and understanding in visuals than me.
I'm in no way defending women, i'm just trying to break this male vs female thing...
| 11:41 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<--- 'nother girl. Old girl. I guess I fit the stereotype of non-geeky though. I love content, but hate code. Although, I'm starting to learn something other than html and even though I hate having to learn it, it's pretty exciting to learn a new tidbit every single day. It's like when I took algebra in junior high and halfway into the semester, for no reason whatsoever, word problems suddenly made sense.
| 1:15 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<-- another chick ;)
Since I figured out writing information type articles was a lot profitable for me than writing code (adsense + affiliate programs), I've switched to doing that predominantly. However, I do like the troubleshooting and problem solving involved with programming. My introduction to it was in Qmodem scripts back in the BBS days =)
| 1:32 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Some newly hired PhD (a woman with a degree in cognitive psychology of all things) approached me and asked, dumbfounded, "Doesn't it bother you to be the only female on your team?" |
|Why would a woman working with a group of men be bothered? |
Woman? What woman? It was a Ph.D.
<snicker snicker..it was a JOKE!>
| 1:46 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
*laughing* paybacksa, you SLAY me! Bless you - best funny I've heard/read today!
| 4:08 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
please note that women use both sides of their brain; men only use one side! ;)
| 4:32 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've known female Webmasters (or "Webmistresses," as some have called themselves) since the mid-1990s.
| 5:24 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
So, of the women who've responded -- how many of you are the more tech savvy of your house? For example, while my husband's no slouch when it comes to computers and technology, he hates code and anything other than sharing content (articles, information, images). So all the server configuration, script installation and updating, database work and maintenance falls on my shoulders for his websites in addition to my own (business and personal websites alike, it doesn't matter -- I end up doing it all.) Oh, and I "get to" do design as well... even though he's employed at a Fortune 500 company (same one I used to work for -- we met long before either of us started working there) as a usability engineer.
| 5:58 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
What does gender has got to do with web? There are a lot other issues to discuss about.
| 6:13 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yep, plenty of issues...and plenty of other threads to discuss those issues.
Regarding the question about tech savvy at home: I live with another woman -- another webmaster, who actually likes the tech stuff that bores me. Same with sprinkler timers, drip heads, and cooking. :)
| 7:09 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
A small spark has turned into a wild fire here. They are all over the place. Guys pls come out of this thread. Happy time ladies.
| 7:15 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm also a female. I designed my own site and I code it by hand. I'm entirely self-taught and not the most techy person in the world, and my site is no great work of art, but I like it. Nice to see there are so many other women at Webmaster World!
| 8:32 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
There is also a stereotype (I believe) that female webmasters are mostly designers but some of us are more programming oriented.
| 8:50 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|So, of the women who've responded -- how many of you are the more tech savvy of your house? |
My partner used to be a draughtsman (and a good one from all accounts) when you used a pen and drawing machine. He blames computers for stealing his career. I think he considers me in league with the devil because I LOVE technology.
| 9:02 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm having trouble seeing what the big deal is as well and was rather baffled at the subject line at first. I've been hand coding my own html since early 1996 and have never seen any lack of other female webmasters, though I never exactly looked for gender differences there either.
I'm more of tech savvy than my partner currently, though he held a programming job way back even before my Commodore 64 days so it's not like he's a technophobe (Gee, I'm managing to date him even more than myself at the same time <g>). I've got to admit I'm not all that much of a techie compared to the friend (also female) who wrote my latest shopping cart with me - thereby starting me on a brand new programming kick by introducing me to the wonderful world of PHP and databases. Whether it's programming, web design or graphics, I think of playing with computers as just that. It's a great way for me to shift gears away from all the tasks involved with the running of, and production for, my business.
| 9:38 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
One more to add to the list here... all I'll say though is hats off to anyone and everyone here. Regardless of age, sex, nationality, etc. it's great to have such a community. Keep it up!
| 9:55 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
A friend of mine runs the European website of a US punk label. Well actually she runs the whole European office of this label, being a one-girl-show.
She calls herself a "webmistress" and uses this actually as her email address too.
I encouraged her to join WW and this thread. Hope everybody here can stand some rude language and Irokese haircuts - she's rather sticky to this stereotypic outfit and behaviour :-)
| 10:44 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Just de-lurking to raise her hand, check,
another female nerd. I call myself a webbuilder.
| 11:06 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
So, of the women who've responded -- how many of you are the more tech savvy of your house?
I was, until I got married. My hub is more tech savy, but that comes from constantly having to reformat his Windows run PCs or chasing viruses while I sit in the background plugging away with my Mac that never dies. Go! Mac
| 11:24 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
A couple of surprises for me. This has been a fun exercise.
/not girl, but can't get along with out my 2
| 11:51 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|So, of the women who've responded -- how many of you are the more tech savvy of your house? |
That would be me. My husband had never owned a computer before we lived together and he's somewhat suspicious of them. He's had a brief go at shopping online but watching him attempt to type and use the mouse is quite painful, bless 'im.
| 11:53 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Turnabout is fair play...
How many women here can change the car's oil? huh. HUH?
picking on the poor husband like that...shameful ;->
| 12:07 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I can change oil ... but not because I like to! I just have to sometimes. Where I live, there are a lot of things I have to do which I would rather not. I can change tires, use a screwdriver, drill, hammer or saw with relative competence. Not bad at plumbing either. Electicity is a different subject!
I am not tech savvy in the least! PHP, perl, cgi bins and CSS are as mysterious to me as radio waves and as elusive as the holy Grail. If I have to move my computer, I am thrilled if I hook it up correctly and the printer actually works!
I am a content webmaster who can write very basic html. That's it folks! Not a bad photographer either and I am learning to do some cool things with PhotoShop. :)
| 1:06 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
The girls are taking over....we can do nothing about it!
And thats a good thing!:):):)
| 1:22 pm on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|The girls are taking over |
They're not taking over; it was theirs to begin with.
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