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Corporate SEO salaries?
I think I'm getting screwed...
SEOMike




msg:339351
 2:31 pm on May 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Grettings all-

Seems to me that most SEO is done by private contractors / speciality firms. I work for one such speciality firm. I have gotten fed up recently with my boss giving just barely enough money to survive, so I started looking around. I saw that salaries for SEOs at companies was $65,000 - $80,000 (adjusted for Cost of Living in my area). I think I'm getting screwed.

The company makes enough money to pay me fairly. (Our boss makes more than all 5 of his employees combined, if that tells you anything about him) Oh, did I mention I'm the manager of all SEO accounts and an employee?

Anyone care to give income ranges that work for corporations? It's hard to establish an industry standard salary (like the designers and programmers here do for their pay) when you are in such a specialized niche.

[edited by: SEOMike at 2:35 pm (utc) on May 17, 2004]

 

ronin




msg:339501
 5:03 pm on May 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, but a salary also gives employees security. Having worked both for wages and for a salary, I'd opt for a salary every time.

That's if I'm working for someone else. Now I'm on my own, I'm not sure what I work for. It probably equates more closely to a salary than to wages. (Except I get a payrise every month).

woop01




msg:339502
 4:15 am on Jun 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

HughMungus, as another poster said, I'm not talking about salary = 2080 hrs/year, I'm talking about a salary to do a job. Based on what you are saying just about every job in the nation is supposed to non-expempt which simply isn't the case.

percentages




msg:339503
 7:46 am on Jun 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Business and work is what we do so we can afford to enjoy the rest of the time. When it BECOMES the rest of the time, you have to stop and realize that you've got it all wrong.

Well said DigitalV!

Work is a means to an end, by definition it is WORK!

That doesn't mean you can't enjoy it, but IMHO you should consider the things you would rather be doing if given the choice, money aside.

As a "boss" I believe every employee should work as hard as me, but no harder. I believe they should enjoy life as much as me, they are welcome if they enjoy it more! I also believe they should get paid as much as me, or more, if they work as hard and produce as much.

If I could find an employee who wanted to do my job and get paid equal, or more, I would be delighted to deliver that to them.

Surely the smart "boss" is the one that wants to give his own job to another capable person?

digitalv




msg:339504
 1:10 pm on Jun 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Surely the smart "boss" is the one that wants to give his own job to another capable person?

A friend of mine operates this way, it's actually kinda cool. He "owns" 3 different companies in varying fields, gets a paycheck from each of them, but doesn't do a damn thing but check in for about an hour a week to make sure everything is going smoothly. At the point where it was profitable enough to do so, he hired someone to do his job - run the company - so he didn't have to. Then he went and started Company #2 since he had the time and a salary from #1 already, and so on.

It takes a lot of trust to do that, I don't know if I would be willing to. I would rather just sell the company for enough to live off of the Interest. I see myself exiting this industry in another year or two anyway and I don't know what, if anything, I'll do next. All I know is that I want to unplug and take a year-long R.V. trip - no Internet, no computers, no cell phone, no GPS ... no technology at all except what comes standard with the trailer and the truck that pulls it. A previously unknown Mayan temple was discovered in Guatemala, that would be cool to check out. Who knows ... all I know is that if I don't want to be sitting in front of a computer for 8 hours a day much longer.

Also being a bigfoot hunter would be neat too.

HughMungus




msg:339505
 5:38 pm on Jun 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

HughMungus, as another poster said, I'm not talking about salary = 2080 hrs/year, I'm talking about a salary to do a job. Based on what you are saying just about every job in the nation is supposed to non-expempt which simply isn't the case.

According to the law, a salary is what you pay someone for a 40 hour workweek. Unless they are exempt from overtime requirements based on federal and state law, you must pay overtime in excess of a 40 hour week. There's no getting around that except by breaking the law.

digitalv




msg:339506
 7:09 pm on Jun 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

According to the law, a salary is what you pay someone for a 40 hour workweek. Unless they are exempt from overtime requirements based on federal and state law, you must pay overtime in excess of a 40 hour week. There's no getting around that except by breaking the law.

You seem to have ignored that part of your own phrase was "unless they are exempt from overtime requirements" and imply that anyone who isn't getting paid overtime should be and any employer who isn't paying it is breaking the law. It's really not that black & white. There are a lot of Federal exemptions and pretty much every state has their own too.

I advise everyone to check out the Department of Labor website to determine whether their employer is compliant with the Fair Labor Standards act. Don't trust any articles you read on non-governemnt web pages. The text may have been 100% accurate at the time it was written, but changes to labor laws happen annually and any article or excerpts you find from 2003 or earlier may not still be valid for 2004.

[dol.gov...] will give you the up to date information.

HughMungus




msg:339507
 4:09 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

You seem to have ignored that part of your own phrase was "unless they are exempt from overtime requirements" and imply that anyone who isn't getting paid overtime should be and any employer who isn't paying it is breaking the law. It's really not that black & white. There are a lot of Federal exemptions and pretty much every state has their own too.

I'm not implying anything. I'm making a statement of fact: Some employers ignore the law and don't pay overtime as legally required (in cases where they are legally required to do so). And yes, it is pretty simple. If you are an employer, you find out what the law says about who should and should not be exempt. The problem is that it's cheaper for them to just play dumb.

digitalv




msg:339508
 5:18 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The problem is that it's cheaper for them to just play dumb.

Not necessarily ... most companies pay overtime to their employees. If they check up on the laws they may find out that they're paying some people overtime that they shouldn't have to.

vkaryl




msg:339509
 11:45 pm on Jun 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good LORD. This is a long long HUGE thread!

Must have hit a nerve....

woop01




msg:339510
 1:38 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

HughMungus, after speaking with two lawyers on this very subject during dinner, your extremely strict interpretation of what an exempt employee is needs a pretty big revision. It's not a huge conspiracy by employers to pull a fast one on their employees. There just really are a large amount of jobs (again, primarily white collar) that are exempt.

Your interpretation of the law suffers a bit of bias toward only the employees.

HughMungus




msg:339511
 8:32 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

HughMungus, after speaking with two lawyers on this very subject during dinner, your extremely strict interpretation of what an exempt employee is needs a pretty big revision. It's not a huge conspiracy by employers to pull a fast one on their employees. There just really are a large amount of jobs (again, primarily white collar) that are exempt.

I'm sorry, in which post did I define who is and who is not an exempt employee? All I said was that being salaried does not make you automatically exempt.

Your interpretation of the law suffers a bit of bias toward only the employees.

I'm not interpreting the law. I'm making statements of fact based on what I've experienced. The only reason I've mentioned it so far is that there might be an employer reading this who could avoid a lot of trouble down the road by following the law instead of being ignorant or thinking they can get away with something by playing dumb.

Do a google search sometime for "unpaid overtime" and note not only the the first news article that comes up (about Wal-Mart, one of the nation's largest employers not paying overtime as legaly required -- are their HR people stupid?) and the many lawyers who are advertising for class action lawsuits in Adwords.

I'm very pro-business. I'm also very pro-law and hate to see people get stepped on.

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