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How long before someone sues Google for being a monopoly
miles




msg:336665
 12:21 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I was thinking eairler today. How long do you think it will be before someone sues Google for being a monopoly? Other search engines, people/users, or someone who went out of business due to Google dropping their site.

Similar to Microsoft in that Google is a large company that could possibly be seen as a monopoly.

 

EliteWeb




msg:336666
 12:24 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

They've already tried to sue them and have sued them -- monopoly basis, ie: you removed my sites. The sole purpose behind the suites were because the companies relied on google because they're so powerful - the monopoly. And they lost ;) as far as just sueing because another .com cant make it in the world... doubtful it will be anyday soon.

redzone




msg:336667
 12:25 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Google is hardly a "Big Company". They're not even public yet.

Comparing them to Microsoft is "Apples to Oranges"..
Microsoft changed the way we live.

Google just "currently" provides a better result in a search engine, than anyone else. And though they've lasted in the #1 position, a little longer than AV and Ink did, they hardly reinvented the wheel.

Everything cycles, and Google's day will come...
If they portalize completely, which an IP may force them to do, they become direct competitors of AOL and Yahoo. If AOL/Yahoo drop Google, you cut a big chunk of their market share.

Everything cycles, just give it time....

RBuzz




msg:336668
 12:33 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Can someone please explain to me how Google is a monopoly? Yes, they get a lot of search traffic. But there are plenty of other search engines available and Google does not block them from indexing the Web.

miles




msg:336669
 12:35 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Elite I see your point.

Redzone I dont think that compairing google and ms is apples and oranges. I just stated that they both are large companies at the top of their game(no ms flames here). I did not mention that either of them are public or not.

EliteWeb




msg:336670
 12:37 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

RBuzz - Agreed they are not a 'Monopoly' per say, they're just the best (opinion) and are becoming the most used. There are other choices, and I also profit off of them just as much as google :)

redzone




msg:336671
 12:38 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, other than MS has 50,000 employees, Google 500.

MS controls the operating system, and 90% of the software on almost every computer being sold in the US. Google is one of several search indexes that are all widely used.

I hardly see the analogy.

Google is "not", and "never will be" a monopoly in the search business.

We will continue to see new vertically oriented search indexes pop up, that will be very popular. I hardly see Inktomi and/or AV dying off in the near future.

miles




msg:336672
 12:39 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

RBuzz I did not say that they were a monopoly. I just asked if how long before someone sued them for it. They do get a good portion of traffic.

This is a just wondering post and is to be taken with a grain of salt.

redzone




msg:336673
 12:40 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

miles,

Understood.. I just get tired of hearing that Google is the SE to end all SE's.. :)

They weren't first (by a long shot), and they won't be the last.... :)

Jack_Straw




msg:336674
 1:45 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I have a "wonder post" about google getting sued too.

How come nobody sues them for copyright infringement?

Isn't their cache a pretty clear case of copyright infringement on just about everybody? They make a copy of everybody's material and post it on their site without my permission.

I don't think the absence of a nocache tag or robots.txt exclusion works as some kind of implicit permission. We shouldn't have to tell them to not copy our stuff. They should have to ask permission.

Am I missing something here? I have never understood why they have a legal right to copy everybody's site and post it in their cache.

And, doesn't the same argument apply to the SE's copying my title and (sometimes) description and showing them in the SERPs?

Mike_Mackin




msg:336675
 1:51 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

>copyright infringement

At 1:19 am on June 26, 2001 Brett said that WebmasterWorld will not be a party to that discussion.

[edited by: Mike_Mackin at 1:52 am (utc) on Feb. 4, 2003]

digitalghost




msg:336676
 1:52 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The cache issue has been debated many times before and so far no one has stepped up to challenge them. Perhaps because the vast majority of people like the cache feature.

As for titles, they can't be copyrighted. I can write a book tomorrow and call it Gone With The Wind. The description tag is placed there for who? Search Engines, so that people receive an accurate description of the site. I think the permission there is implied.

Libraries don't need permission from the author to include the titles of books in their catalog and descriptive blurbs are so common that making a description infringement would pretty much eliminate any descriptions being used by anyone.

Jack_Straw




msg:336677
 2:29 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thank you, digitalhost. good response.

Your points about titles and analogy with libraries make sense to me.

Still, it seems to me that the cache is a different issue entirely. But, I appreciate that there are probably good reasons not to pursue that discussion here.

martinibuster




msg:336678
 2:32 am on Feb 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

someone who went out of business due to Google dropping their site.

Google's terms of service explicitly state that you may not use Google for commercial reasons.

The Google Services are made available for your personal, non-commercial use only. You may not use the Google Services to sell a product or service, or to increase traffic to your Web site for commercial reasons, such as advertising sales.

And here's another good one from Google's TOS
Limitation of Liability
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL GOOGLE OR ITS LICENSORS BE LIABLE TO ANY USER ON ACCOUNT OF THAT USER'S USE OR MISUSE OF OR RELIANCE ON THE GOOGLE SERVICES.

Google TOS [google.com]

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