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Using browser resizer.Does this count as a "popup"
and can is it bad SEO?
crobb305




msg:384658
 2:41 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I used a new window resizer on a few of my pages for a while. The code was some javascript that went into the /head section and was called from the body text whenever I wanted a link to open a new window. The window would open to the dimensions specicfied.

I know the Yahoo Quality Guidelines say to avoid excessive use of popups. Would this sort of script be deemed a popup, even though it is triggered by the user clicking a link? Could this explain why some of my pages are no longer getting cached, and why they are falling out of the yahoo index each day.

Are any of you using browser resizing successfully?

 

2by4




msg:384659
 3:43 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

To put it simply, if I visit a site and it attempts to resize my browser window, I will never visit it again. This is in my opinion one of the absolutely most amateurish things any website can do, it's right up there with page hit counters etc for outdated and never a good idea things to do. Second perhaps only to looping soundbites on page load.

However, I'm fairly certain that I have firefox set to not allow any site to resize windows in any circumstance, so I can't even say for sure if I've been to a site like that.

Short answer: do not under any circumstances resize the users main browser window. They have already selected the size they like, and if you counteract that decision, it's simply annoying. Find a better way to achieve your goal.

I will resize popups, since that is better supported, but I NEVER use popups unless they are user requested.

The better way to handle this if you want to control the page size, layout width or whatever, is to use css to create a page container of that dimension.

frox




msg:384660
 4:52 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

This is a tricky point, you better ask adsense directly, and if they say "yes" store the email message in a safe place.

BTW, are you sure this does not cause a "double impression"? on certain browsers (Netscape, iirc) after a javascript resize you ad to reload the page, and that (besides being horrible for the users) would be an artficial inflation of impressions, again the TOS.

2by4




msg:384661
 5:03 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

javascript page resizing usually happens onload, depends on how it's executed, but it's always a bad idea no matter what.

crobb305




msg:384662
 7:51 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

2by4,

This is in my opinion one of the absolutely most amateurish things any website can do

It may sound amateurish, but it serves a purpose from time to time. I have a small form that consumers can fill out, and it is so short that I like to resize the popup window for their benefit. Maybe I shouldn't. I just didn't think a whole window with a lot of whitespace popping up was necessary. I have been in this business for a long time, and to be frank, this method converts better to sales than anything I have tried (with respect to window size/placement, scrolling, etc). So, what may appear "amateurish" in your eyes, may be very lucrative to someone else.

You also say
but I NEVER use popups unless they are user requested

I do NOT utilize any unsolicited/automatic popups. The sort of resizing I am talking about happens when the user clicks a link on my site that takes them to an application form or questionnaire. It is a link that they click by their own free will; I simply attempt to resize the form's window so that it minimizes scrolling.

So, that leads me back to my original question...Are there any drawbacks from an SEO/Search-engine algorithm standpoint? Personal opinions, insults, hypocritical, and uniformed opinions aside. Do window-resize javascripts leave a bad taste in the mouth's of search-engine algorithms?

piskie




msg:384663
 10:50 am on May 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

On some sites, I use a click on picture to show an enlargement feature.

This opens in a new window which I resize to the image size using javascript.
Displaying a picture probably to 50%of the screen size in a full screen window with loads of white space IMHO looks 'Amateurish' and sizing the window to the image is a massive improvement visualy.
A single click on the original browser window close the PopUp/Enlargement as does the little X button top right of PopUp/Enlargement.

This to me does not seem unfriendly or intrusive, but perhaps I'm biased because I use this method as do many Photo Galleries.
What is wrong with it and what are the acceptable alternatives in the context of the above posts.

2by4




msg:384664
 6:15 am on May 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

crob, your original posting wasn't very clear. Now that you explained it better, that's a totally fine method, there is nothing wrong with it.

Resizing a window for popup purposes does not affect the default browser opening size, which resizing the normal view window does. That's what I thought you were referring to. Resizing for popup for forms or for gallery images or whatever is a nice thing to for users I think, nothing wrong with that.

Just so you know, what yahoo is referring to is unrequested popups, the kind of stuff you'll be attacked with when you visit scummy websites. Any time you click a link and a popup opens with the page you requested by clicking that link, that is a user requested popup. No problem with that.

I use this method for some forms, and galleries too, although if possible I try to avoid popups altogether now, more for technical reasons, some browser addons are causing issues with them now and then at random intervals.

Search engines don't care, but I'd recommend one thing, this is more for your own benefit, for forms, images popups, etc, just block them in robots.txt, and also put in rel="nofollow" in the link, especially in gallery thumbnails, google is not handling those well at all currently. There is usually nothing you want indexed on those things anyway.

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