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msg:22746
 5:37 am on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)


I guess if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:22747
 6:21 am on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

Interesting. Pretty much the defacto portal interface isn't it. Just when I thought Alta had a clue about page design. Not the last one, but the one before that when they first went "portal insane" was pretty good.

Why wouldn't they allow the thing to span full screen. The days of 640 are OVER. Like I want to see two thirds of a screen filled with white space. It makes the content and the site seem small.

chiyo




msg:22748
 6:51 am on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

agree brett that a 640 constrained page may make a site look small.

But we did a few usability tests 6 months ago, and found that comparatively new users found an uncluttered 640 design more "clickable" and less threatening. We tested two designs the only difference was full screen or constrained and at 800 and 1,200 sizes. More regular users whoever were not as enamoured but still said they liked the "unclutterred look" by a small margin.

Maybe we who are used to navigating sites all day can handle lots of content on a screen at a time and learn the skills of fousing on what we want.

Not convinced that the days of 640 are over... We have half 640 and half 800 and the bosses laptop 1,200. According to our logs, 70% of our hits are from screens with 800 or less.

As traditional publishers too, the use of white space does seem to have a good effect on users, though i agree that once you get to over 1200 screens there may be overkill.

That will be the time to change the page to 800 I think.

Still our audience is very different from yours and IId agree that with a very experienced group like webmasters the white space wont be appreciated.

luckynh




msg:22749
 1:16 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

New look
Same results?

This is new to [tools.altavista.com...]
Looks like they are tracking click trough's
[altavista.com...]

[AltaVista.Net...]
No unique string on the listings just a direct link.

hummmm.. stems for more investigation..

dwedeking




msg:22750
 10:00 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

Was doing research for a new client. Typed in "used jaguars for sale" without quotes. Top 8 included 3 dead links, and #1 went to a software development firm. With results like that does it matter what the new page LOOKS like. :)

Videoace




msg:22751
 10:12 pm on Feb 1, 2001 (gmt 0)

Just to test how current AV is, I did a search for "george w. bush inauguration speech" (without quotes). Not one of the first ten results was a link to the speech or anything about it. On the other hand, perhaps no one actually wants to do a search for this, which is understandable.

mivox




msg:22752
 1:33 am on Feb 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

well, if you're looking for GW Bush material, you could always try the Google method... type dumb mothererf---er and see if AV can do anything with that.

They used to be the KING of the fast update... Their spiders have been all over my site lately, but no dice on the search results.

A pretty AV interface would be about as appealing as a really *beautiful* inflatable doll right now.

chiyo




msg:22753
 2:21 am on Feb 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

"...A pretty AV interface would be about as appealing as a really *beautiful* inflatable doll right now..."

great quote mimox! all face and flash and little substance... the great downfall of 95% of Websites generally (present company exculded of course!). Do Webmasters think Internet users are really that stupid anymore?

mivox




msg:22754
 2:57 am on Feb 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

Q. >> Do Webmasters think Internet users are really that stupid anymore?

A. AOL - The biggest doll of them all

It seems the brainy tech types are all headed for Google these days... she's the flat-chested neighbor girl down the street who wears glasses and always helps with your homework.

Marshall Clark




msg:22755
 5:40 am on Feb 2, 2001 (gmt 0)

LOL! :)
(resume lurk)

tedster




msg:22756
 8:57 pm on Feb 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

I just took a minute to fill out the survey on the AV page. Their language seems to indicate they made a change in the search database when they introduced the new interface on Jan 31.

I haven't watched AV close enough lately to tell. Is it true?

BoneHeadicus




msg:22757
 11:14 pm on Feb 3, 2001 (gmt 0)

With all the staff cuts I bet thats a real time saver....no content to keep fresh ..just links to everybody elses content.

grnidone




msg:22758
 1:11 am on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

Another thing with 640 is that it will print on a single sheet of 8 1/2 by 11 ... that's why we do it.
-G

mivox




msg:22759
 3:55 am on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

> I haven't watched AV close enough lately to tell. Is it true?

Well, if they chaged it, the "changes" certainly didn't involve an update. I submitted a bunch of old (404) page URLs to them a couple weeks ago, along with the new replacement pages... and their amazing update-in-less-than-a-week database maintenance schedule has been offline at least since then.

Brett_Tabke




msg:22760
 3:36 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

I do know I'll be using Raging more and more.

da wong query




msg:22761
 11:25 pm on Feb 5, 2001 (gmt 0)

640 or no 640? I think that we are forgetting that while a lot of us fortunate folk care about resolution and whether or not the page is expandable or not, most people who use the internet wouldn't know 640 from the speed of their motherboards!

I think the site is simple, which is good, must say that the last design was confusing...

As for any similarities to Yahoo or LookSmart, I must say that I can hope the new site will give us all new results... isn't that what we're all after?

grnidone




msg:22762
 1:18 pm on Feb 6, 2001 (gmt 0)

We are, Da_Wong, and it remains to be seen if AV will get their act together and give us good results. They have been relying on the Looksmart db a little much for my tastes lately.

Welcome to the forums!

-G

luckynh




msg:22763
 5:15 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)


Our New Home Page is cleaner and simpler. The most popular Search Tools —Image Search, Translate, Email and more — are all in one place: easy to find andeasy to use.

more [tools.altavista.com]

or:
phase out several non-search related features of our site,
here [tools.altavista.com]

da wong query




msg:22764
 5:28 pm on Feb 7, 2001 (gmt 0)

I'm glad they are phasing out a lot of that other junk. AltaVista looks like they're going back to what they used to be best at, being a pure search engine... despite their problems over the past year, they're still one of the most well known SE's on the net and we all need them to get better... I think the site redesign and the updates that have been happening are good signs... coupled with the fact that they got rid of all that "portal" junk and can now focus on their algo and their updates...

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