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dinnerware




msg:27473
 2:29 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Do the following have any affect on your Inktomi ranking?
1) Alt Tags
2) Popularity (Incoming Links)

I have been stuck at a position 8 and have tried everything to move up but I cannot seem to get there. Any advice/input?

 

jimbeetle




msg:27474
 2:51 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi dinnerware,

Here's a pretty good recent discussion [webmasterworld.com] on Ink factors. In message 9 DaveAtIFG states that "testing indicates that INK completely ignores keyword metas and alt tags."

It's always been assumed that incoming links matter at Ink, but as you'll see as you read through the thread there is some disagreement.

Jim

juniperwasting




msg:27475
 3:35 pm on Jun 11, 2003 (gmt 0)

That is an interesting line, "very recent testing indicates that INK completely ignores keyword metas and alt tags".

The last thing I have heard was that ink was the last SE to actually factor keyword metas.

j

nell




msg:27476
 9:43 am on Jun 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

>INK completely ignores keyword metas

Wrong.

whiterabbit




msg:27477
 3:40 pm on Jun 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>INK completely ignores keyword metas
>>Wrong.

In complete agreement, thanks to the 48 hourly spider, and extensive testing with keyword placement and content, i can 100% state that keywords matter, in fact, they matter more than the page content...

panic




msg:27478
 9:52 pm on Jun 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm not too sure about the alt tags, but one thing's for sure : link pop (incoming links) helps a LOT.

bether2




msg:27479
 10:28 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

whiterabbit,

Are you saying that your research shows that keyword meta tags matter or that keywords matter? I think you mean the former, but just checking.

Thanks,
Beth

john316




msg:27480
 10:36 pm on Jun 20, 2003 (gmt 0)

>INK completely ignores keyword metas

Right AND wrong. Metatags read for PFI, ignored otherwise.

whiterabbit




msg:27481
 9:41 am on Jul 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

sorry for the delay beth...i did mean the former...the keyword meta tag has a far higher relevance than keywords on the page...and as john pointed out...this is true for PFI...

(this is my research after paying a fortune to inktomi)

Hasdrubal




msg:27482
 7:37 pm on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here a small c/p from an email i received after asking some questions about the indexing and paid inclusion:

<snip>

It was not an answer on my question but reading the discussion above it maybe can help little.

[edited by: Marcia at 1:09 am (utc) on July 8, 2003]
[edit reason] No posting of email quotes, please. [/edit]

bether2




msg:27483
 9:32 pm on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks, Hasdrubal.

So it sounds like - for paid inclusion at least - all three "HEAD" tags matter. Hmmm...

Makes me wonder a little if they also matter for "free" pages.

Beth

Alternative Future




msg:27484
 9:50 pm on Jul 7, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

Does it matter if the meta keywords are separated or not with commas i.e. word1, word2, word3

As I have lost my ranking in the Ink SERP's (covered in more detail in another thread) and after reading this thread I think it might be since I actually removed all the commas as separators.

Any help is appreciated.

-gs

panic




msg:27485
 12:24 am on Jul 8, 2003 (gmt 0)

It very well could be. It could be that Inktomi picks that up as one enormous keyword rather than three seperate keywords.

For example, if your keywords are : keyword1, keyword2, keyword3, Inktomi might be picking it up as "keyword1 keyword2 keyword3" and so on.

According to Ink, that's common practice among the lower tier adult sites. Since they can't get anywhere near the top position for highly competitive words, they target horrifically long search terms.

Knowing that, Inktomi ranks pages with ridiculously long keywords as low as they possibly can. I'm sure one of senior members can explain this a lot better than I can, though.

-panic

Allergic




msg:27486
 3:05 pm on Jul 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Here's a pretty good recent discussion on Ink factors. In message 9 DaveAtIFG states that "testing indicates that INK completely ignores keyword metas and alt tags."

Sorry folks, but I got the proof this is a wrong statement.

In a test page (actually online) I saw two meta keywords been placed there and thoses keywords are not even use in the text of that page.
Thoses keywords show up in MSN, Hotbot/Inktomi and in thoses metasearch engines : Vivisimo, Mamma, Debriefing and Copernic.

But in my test, only the first two show up. Sticky mail me for the keywords.

DaveAtIFG




msg:27487
 6:48 pm on Jul 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

My testing was done circa Feb-Mar 03, my post is from March 18, it's very possible things have changed since then. There have been several updates (or at least "turmoil") in INK's SERPs since then. The sites I was working with at the time continue to rank well and I've had no need to do further testing.

whiterabbit




msg:27488
 10:57 pm on Jul 13, 2003 (gmt 0)

Back from the ink testing lab...remove the description tag, this forces ink to construct snippets 'on the fly' (like google does)...this works for PFI and ordinary spidering...although, sometimes (dependant on which SE you search on), there is NO snippet...try it out, give it 2 weeks (Slurp, the Inktomi bot is very active these days)...come back and tell us your results...

:)

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