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 6:16 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

I have a site that sells antique widgets, and am thinking about paying for some Inktomi listings. They already have 3 of my urls listed for free, but I'm looking for more MSN hits.

My question is: does anyone know how much text of a page Inktomi will search over? Does it have a 100k limit or some such, and would that limit be higher for paid listings? Out of a 150k page, it looks like they are searching over some but not all of it.




 10:04 pm on Mar 31, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't know about the spiders but a human surfer with a dial-up account could fall asleep waiting for a 150K page to load. Many will have an involutary muscle spasm in the index finger with the mouse over the back button by the time 50K has downloaded.


 1:29 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Actually, I'm on a 56k dialup myself, and my site is quite fast. The pages in question are search result pages, almost pure text, and I get about a 5 second load time on the largest one.

Oh, largest page being 90k, not 150k.


 3:21 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just a thought: when assessing your own page's loading speed, be sure to clear your browser cache first.

Some people have unrealistic ideas about how fast their pages load, because some of what they're seeing is coming from the cache, and not actually being downloaded.


 4:12 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi mcavic (and welcome to WebmasterWorld!)

Have you tried digging around on Inktomi's web site? Have you tried digging around at Positiontech?

You would be surprised at how much helpful information you can find simply by clicking the about or help links, or doing site searches with your google toolbar. Digging around a search engine's web site is a great way of finding important information.

If you are a Positiontech customer you can always fire off an email; I've received very prompt and curteous responses from them.

It's a good question. Let us know what you find out.
:) Y


 4:35 am on Apr 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Out of the 150K, how much of that represents graphics and/or code or pure indexable body text? With Google, there are pages that rank purely on the basis of PR and inbound anchor text - that's not the case with Inktomi.

How much text there is can have a bearing on keyword density, for one thing. For Inktomi it's just good old-fashioned overall page optimization, paying attention to all the little details.

Regardless of whether a given search engine *can* handle pages over a certain overall file size, we always hear that one search engine or another has a preference in ranking for either small or large pages - pages heavy in text or with little text. Some people say to have a minimum of 250 words of indexable text on a page, others say more. Some like less, especially for Inktomi. How big a file size would a 250-word page have if it's not heavy on graphics?

We all have a different experience, but from what I've seen for Ink small, snappy pages do well that are a bit higher in density than we'd normally do for Google. There are a few factors that give an edge with Ink, but basically it's plain vanilla SEO - and attention to usability and quality of user experience never hurt, no matter what.

Conventional wisdom for SEO is that page file sizes be kept smallish. We're even advised to put scripts and styles external to keep size down. Opinions vary, but for Ink about 20K total is fine, personal preference is as far under as possible, as far under 10K as possible even better.

Others may have good results with big pages, but I can't recall anyone having shared that they'd had consistently good results with big file sized pages.

If we PAY for pages to be listed I think we need to go with what we feel reasonably comfortable with as having a chance, though having that frequent spidering for a test case could tell a lot. I wouldn't personally do more than one big page just to see what happens.


 5:24 pm on Apr 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the replies, all. I have 5 paid Ink listings now, and will wait and see what happens. Searching for 3 words that are at the bottom of an 89k (essentially all text) page, I came up #1 on MSN, but those words didn't show up in the excerpt.


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