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peterdaly

msg:21977 | 1:49 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | I have a site that gets quite a lot of traffic from google, but very little from MSN. Referrers so far this month: 14800+ for google us pages. 846 for the main msn engine, 190 for auto.msn.com. I have a much larger percentage of "eggs" in my google basket than I would like. What can I do to increase my msn.com hits? I have over 50k pages in google right now from the Jan crawl, I am sure FAST has nowhere near that many yet. There are plenty of "pay for inclusion" services out there, but I don't have a good idea about which ones are scams and which really work. I get most of my traffic from google on keywords which match content on the 50k pages, so I don't really have a handful of keywords I can specifically target, like with an msn small business listing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Pete
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SlyGuy

msg:21978 | 2:01 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | | There are plenty of "pay for inclusion" services out there, but I don't have a good idea about which ones are scams and which really work. |
| We use PositionTech and have not had any problems...yet. We have only used their service for a couple of months now, but so far, so good. - Chad
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gsmitchell

msg:21979 | 2:52 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | >>There are plenty of "pay for inclusion" services out there, but I don't have a good idea about which ones are scams and which really work<< I have been using Ineedhits.com for 8 months and have had no problems. I have emailed support a few times with questions and have always gotten a response within 12 hours or less.
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peterdaly

msg:21980 | 3:39 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | Inktomi's pricing - Number of URLs included: Price per URL (USD): 1st URL $39.00 URLs 2 - 1000 $25.00 each |
| I have 50k pages in google. Am I right that means it would cost $25,000 just to include 1000 of them? That's nuts. -Pete
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gsmitchell

msg:21981 | 4:03 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | peterdaly, I would contact them concerning bulk pricing if you are going to include all of your url's. I would suggest submitting only a few of your top urls (25-50) and that should give you enough exposure. [edited by: gsmitchell at 4:25 pm (utc) on Feb. 7, 2003]
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SlyGuy

msg:21982 | 4:17 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | | Am I right that means it would cost $25,000 just to include 1000 of them? That's nuts. |
| Yes. However, I don't think 1000 or 10,000 pages would be very cost effective. We submitted 25 of our 2000 pages, focused keywords that mattered and had proven results. Take your top 25-50 pages and submit them, once folks visit your site through these entry points, it's up to them to search deeper. - Chad
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Shakil

msg:21983 | 4:18 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | PositionTechs Trusted feed program may be applicable in this situation. Shak
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skibum

msg:21984 | 7:49 pm on Feb 7, 2003 (gmt 0) | yep, you can setup Trusted Feed in Ask, Ink, FAST and AV. Instead of paying for inclusion, you'll pay around .25/click. If you put all 50k pages in or even 10% of that the CPC might come down some. You'll need to generate a file that has titles, descriptions, keywords, and a section for content to give to PT put it in a special format for them and then watch the traffic roll in.
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