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Inktomi has eliminated thousands of pages
The culling is widespread and fairly consistent across industries
martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 11:16 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was amazed two weeks ago at the depth of content that a client, and their competitors, had indexed with Ink.

However, today I noticed all of them have had their pages reduced to two. Not only in their industry, but across all industries.

Have your freebie pages survived the culling?

I'm already seeing an effect on msn pages.

 

fiestagirl

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Msg#: 1841 posted 11:24 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've noticed that the Inktomi Trusted feed customers have virtually no freebie commercial comptetition anymore...The only way is to pay, I guess. :(

jdMorgan

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Msg#: 1841 posted 11:55 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

martinibuster,

3 sites in, all freebies, two non-profits and one commercial. No changes in any pages showing in PT/Ink SERPs that I can find, so it's not strictly a "pay" thing.

Jim

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 12:24 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

jdMorgan: How many of your freebie pages are still showing?

I did a search on PT/Puresearch on my clients url and the url of their competitors, who previously showed 60+ unpaid pages. Now they are showing only 2 pages. Also same in other industries.

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Msg#: 1841 posted 12:26 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like they've added some for me in the "guide" area.

jdMorgan

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Msg#: 1841 posted 12:30 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

martinibuster,

How many of your freebie pages are still showing?

All are free, and all are showing - more than 50 pages. So, I don't think it's strictly a "pay" thing.

Jim

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Msg#: 1841 posted 12:31 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

When I search for a domain name it shows 2 pages only.

If I search for specific text from on of the 'missing'pages, it IS listed.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 12:37 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi 4eyes,
That's weird! What do you think that means?

4eyes

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Msg#: 1841 posted 12:59 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Way I am checking at the moment by doing a domain earch on Hotbot.com.

All the pages are showing as 'in' there

nell

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Msg#: 1841 posted 3:27 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

We're in a few competitive categories where the same was noticed. Many, many less free pages.

Mohamed_E

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Msg#: 1841 posted 3:33 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

All my pages (all of them free) that I checked still turn up, usually very close to the top, on suitable searches.

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Msg#: 1841 posted 4:27 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I had two sites "culled" of both free and paid pages, and one site culled of free pages while the paid ones survived.

The "culled" paid pages have remained in the index but draw almost zero traffic. The free ones vanished completely.

Even the paid pages that are "unculled" draw pretty dismal traffic. I wouldn't mind having so many other pages culled if the traffic to the surviving pages increased in proportion, but that's not the case.

IMHO Ink is very unstable and unpredictable right now. Reminds me of Alta Vista during its fall from grace.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 5:31 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Mohamed_E,
All my pages (all of them free)... still turn up

Have you searched your url in the Ink Database to see what comes up?

You can do it here [169.207.238.189]. Please let us know if all of your pages are returned, or if only two pages show.

The strange thing going on is that, currently, some pages show up in serps, but when you search for your url at Pure Search, only two pages show. Compare that with two weeks ago when scores of pages showed up in the serp. Something has changed.

Either Ink has culled the freebies and the Newly Trimmed Database is coming to a search engine near you soon, or Ink has changed the way they return serps for url searches.

Without question, something has changed.

Hey Inktomi-Guy! Let's have your input on this, ok?

4eyes

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Msg#: 1841 posted 10:09 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

FWIW

Searching on positiontech 'pure search' using :

domain:mysite.com

....is now showing all the pages I expect to see.

Anyone still seeing the '2-page only' with this?

Mohamed_E

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Msg#: 1841 posted 1:20 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Martinibuster,

> Have you searched your url in the Ink Database to see what comes up?

Very frustrating, I have never been able to get the domain:my.isp.net/~myname command to work on Ink, always returns zero matches.

mayor

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Msg#: 1841 posted 1:43 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't know why, but I've been getting the best results for pages included in Inktomi by entering the site's url in the search widow at Search Mechanics, then selecting Hotbot:

[searchmechanics.com...]

Even if I go directly to Hotbot and enter my URL I don't get good results. It's a mystery, but the SM site works for me.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 2:44 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Could be an older database at SM?

Inktomi

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Msg#: 1841 posted 6:08 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

The "domain:myname.com" search should return everything indexed for that site. I just tried it at PositionTech and it's being correctly handled. Is anyone else still seeing disparities between partners?

Inktomi.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 6:55 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Inktomi!
Thanks for dropping by. Has something changed? Previously, we didn't have to use a qualifier, i.e. domain:

Perhaps we didn't look hard enough, but I didn't see a faq to tell us that we now have to use a qualifier. A faq on the different qualifiers would be nice...

Oh, btw, the qualifier does indeed work!

Thanks!

Inktomi

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Msg#: 1841 posted 8:38 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

martinibuster wrote:
> Thanks for dropping by. Has something changed?
> Previously, we didn't have to use a qualifier,
> i.e. domain:

Here's what I think is happening. When you just search for a keyword, our search engine restricts the number of results from any one site to two. But the "domain:myhost.com" modifier is a special instruction that tells us to return all pages from that domain (rather than treating "myhost.com" as a keyword and returning only two results).

Hope that helps.

Inktomi.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 1841 posted 9:03 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks! Makes total sense now!

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