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Inktomi has eliminated thousands of pages
The culling is widespread and fairly consistent across industries
martinibuster




msg:22136
 11:16 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was amazed two weeks ago at the depth of content that a client, and their competitors, had indexed with Ink.

However, today I noticed all of them have had their pages reduced to two. Not only in their industry, but across all industries.

Have your freebie pages survived the culling?

I'm already seeing an effect on msn pages.

 

fiestagirl




msg:22137
 11:24 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've noticed that the Inktomi Trusted feed customers have virtually no freebie commercial comptetition anymore...The only way is to pay, I guess. :(

jdMorgan




msg:22138
 11:55 pm on Dec 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

martinibuster,

3 sites in, all freebies, two non-profits and one commercial. No changes in any pages showing in PT/Ink SERPs that I can find, so it's not strictly a "pay" thing.

Jim

martinibuster




msg:22139
 12:24 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

jdMorgan: How many of your freebie pages are still showing?

I did a search on PT/Puresearch on my clients url and the url of their competitors, who previously showed 60+ unpaid pages. Now they are showing only 2 pages. Also same in other industries.

rcjordan




msg:22140
 12:26 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like they've added some for me in the "guide" area.

jdMorgan




msg:22141
 12:30 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

martinibuster,

How many of your freebie pages are still showing?

All are free, and all are showing - more than 50 pages. So, I don't think it's strictly a "pay" thing.

Jim

4eyes




msg:22142
 12:31 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

When I search for a domain name it shows 2 pages only.

If I search for specific text from on of the 'missing'pages, it IS listed.

martinibuster




msg:22143
 12:37 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi 4eyes,
That's weird! What do you think that means?

4eyes




msg:22144
 12:59 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Way I am checking at the moment by doing a domain earch on Hotbot.com.

All the pages are showing as 'in' there

nell




msg:22145
 3:27 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

We're in a few competitive categories where the same was noticed. Many, many less free pages.

Mohamed_E




msg:22146
 3:33 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

All my pages (all of them free) that I checked still turn up, usually very close to the top, on suitable searches.

mayor




msg:22147
 4:27 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I had two sites "culled" of both free and paid pages, and one site culled of free pages while the paid ones survived.

The "culled" paid pages have remained in the index but draw almost zero traffic. The free ones vanished completely.

Even the paid pages that are "unculled" draw pretty dismal traffic. I wouldn't mind having so many other pages culled if the traffic to the surviving pages increased in proportion, but that's not the case.

IMHO Ink is very unstable and unpredictable right now. Reminds me of Alta Vista during its fall from grace.

martinibuster




msg:22148
 5:31 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Mohamed_E,
All my pages (all of them free)... still turn up

Have you searched your url in the Ink Database to see what comes up?

You can do it here [169.207.238.189]. Please let us know if all of your pages are returned, or if only two pages show.

The strange thing going on is that, currently, some pages show up in serps, but when you search for your url at Pure Search, only two pages show. Compare that with two weeks ago when scores of pages showed up in the serp. Something has changed.

Either Ink has culled the freebies and the Newly Trimmed Database is coming to a search engine near you soon, or Ink has changed the way they return serps for url searches.

Without question, something has changed.

Hey Inktomi-Guy! Let's have your input on this, ok?

4eyes




msg:22149
 10:09 am on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

FWIW

Searching on positiontech 'pure search' using :

domain:mysite.com

....is now showing all the pages I expect to see.

Anyone still seeing the '2-page only' with this?

Mohamed_E




msg:22150
 1:20 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Martinibuster,

> Have you searched your url in the Ink Database to see what comes up?

Very frustrating, I have never been able to get the domain:my.isp.net/~myname command to work on Ink, always returns zero matches.

mayor




msg:22151
 1:43 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't know why, but I've been getting the best results for pages included in Inktomi by entering the site's url in the search widow at Search Mechanics, then selecting Hotbot:

[searchmechanics.com...]

Even if I go directly to Hotbot and enter my URL I don't get good results. It's a mystery, but the SM site works for me.

martinibuster




msg:22152
 2:44 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Could be an older database at SM?

Inktomi




msg:22153
 6:08 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

The "domain:myname.com" search should return everything indexed for that site. I just tried it at PositionTech and it's being correctly handled. Is anyone else still seeing disparities between partners?

Inktomi.

martinibuster




msg:22154
 6:55 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Inktomi!
Thanks for dropping by. Has something changed? Previously, we didn't have to use a qualifier, i.e. domain:

Perhaps we didn't look hard enough, but I didn't see a faq to tell us that we now have to use a qualifier. A faq on the different qualifiers would be nice...

Oh, btw, the qualifier does indeed work!

Thanks!

Inktomi




msg:22155
 8:38 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

martinibuster wrote:
> Thanks for dropping by. Has something changed?
> Previously, we didn't have to use a qualifier,
> i.e. domain:

Here's what I think is happening. When you just search for a keyword, our search engine restricts the number of results from any one site to two. But the "domain:myhost.com" modifier is a special instruction that tells us to return all pages from that domain (rather than treating "myhost.com" as a keyword and returning only two results).

Hope that helps.

Inktomi.

martinibuster




msg:22156
 9:03 pm on Dec 3, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks! Makes total sense now!

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