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Inktomi releases Web Search 9
Smart Summaries, Geotargeting, improved relevance

 2:57 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

We're pretty excited to release Web Search 9 to the world. You can learn more about it here:


And press release here:

Let us know what you think!




 3:06 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Seems to work somewhat, even though the Algo is still far from "google", test doind a search with .pdf for "Pagerank" i would suggest that the original document should appear then.
Normal webresults looks a little bit better than before.

Look forward to playing further with it.


 3:14 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Inktomi,

The PAID INCLUSION section in the first drop, is that for index connect customers or all paid inclusion?


 6:25 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Other Web Search 9 Notes

A) PDF and other Microsoft Office Formats Are Now Accessible (.doc, .ppt, .xls)
B) Claiming Database Size is Over 3 Billions Pages
C) Inktomi Now Provides Single Database to its Partners. Previously, many chunks or flavors of the database were was available to partners. However, because different partners offer different features and tweak the relevancy algorithm you will still see different result sets.

Via ResourceShelf [resourceshelf.freepint.com]


 6:25 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Inktomi Web Search refreshes the entire index every 10-14 days...
Having the largest index...
...over three billion Web pages.

Sounds pretty dang impressive there. Am I supposed to read that as Ink refreshes 3B+ pages every couple weeks? Or that it's *designed* to be able to do that (at some point, somehow...)?



 6:33 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)


where did you test this? I didn't see a link to anywhere showing this off. Or is it live on the pure ink search?

...News Headline Search, which is updated every 15 minutes providing headlines from more than 3,000 sources...

Hmmm... very inkteresting.


 6:37 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

From the press release it sounds like only index connect customers will have access to Geotargeting. Won't this only serve to help very large companies dominate local searches (were smaller companies tend to thrive)? I don't see this as an improvement unless there's equal access to all paying customers.

Ability to deliver the right results for ambiguous terms even when most algorithms get it wrong. Web Search 9 can intelligently consider a user's intention from their query

I'd like to know more about this. If someone searches for "apple" how is web search 9 going to know if they're searching for the fruit or the computer manufacturer?

By allowing editors to tune Web Search 9, Inktomi provides the best defense against spammers that can corrupt search results.

Are the editors going to change the algo to deal with the problems or are they just going to manually ban sites?

jeremy goodrich

 6:54 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

manually ban sites?

That reminds me...we're talking about INK here. I've got the same concerns about the 'intentions guessing' part of the algo...how do you know?

Are you going to cookie users, and figure out their search 'expectations' based on what they click, and then rotate results? That could be interesting...


 6:58 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

There's plenty of smoke. Will there be fire? On MSN, the first result I get for 'capital of Spain' starts out this way:

Capital Cities Spain Capital Cities Spain is an IT marketing company


 7:05 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

From the ResourceShelf article it doesn't sound like we'll see all the changes for a couple of weeks.. I wouldn't make any relevancy judgements yet..


 8:24 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have stopped writing red ink-to-them some time ago, for a lot of verified reasons.

I would almost care trying CPR on this stiff, but probes show no life signs, since hours.

Ink, do you care making the effort for a single life sign? Just say your listening and consulting your 'partners', that would do.

Otherwise, I have got a tag ready for your toe.

jeremy goodrich

 8:51 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Good one, Macguru. It could be that Inktomi is too busy trying to handle the flood of new subscribers...or that they just wanted to drop that url for us? :)

The toe tag might be needed yet, if they don't have a slick powerplay ready to dominate the MSN spot.

If I've got two pay per click options on any engine, what's going to motivate me to sign up with the one that finishes last?

After all, LookSmart has the same Index Connect type setup for larger sites...given that, what's to stop all INK customers from simply jumping ship to LookSmart?


 9:06 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

That is the problem with MSN market share. 2 out of 3 results providers has a tainted reputation. Most of my clients willing to invest on this part of the pie go PPC. At least they know where the money go.

Ink, please find better ways to show your still with us. Answering questions could be a good start.

The toe tag is ready, only the date field was left blank. Still waiting.


 9:53 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)


Geotargeting right now is just for Index Connect customers, but we're currently looking at expanding the program based on interest.

Macguru, I'll let today's product announcement speak for itself. We're working hard on both the product and distribution sides of the house and are more excited than ever about where we're headed.



 10:30 pm on Nov 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>refreshes the entire index every 10-14 days

That will be impressive! It is good to see somebody continue to roll out new products. Good luck Ink.


 1:59 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

This sounds like good news.

However, the most recent new page I have in the MSN/Ink index (other than PFI pages) was uploaded on July 30th .... The dozens of new pages created since then (on the same site) are still invisible.

Does anyone have any evidence that the Ink index is really being rebuilt every two weeks - or is this just a plan for the future which may or may not happen?

I'd be interested in the upload date of the most recent page any of you have in pure search or MSN.

Visit Thailand

 2:38 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry about this question but I really do not understand. Why would anyone pay for a search engine listing when there are google and others out there for free?


 3:02 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Inktomi can also bring you huge amounts of traffic, for free.

My question was about its free spidering / index cycle - we all know Google updates once a month, but how often does Inktomi update?


 5:01 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Why would anyone pay for a search engine listing when there are google and others out there for free?

I would love to take this one. because for 25$/page I have made a killing through ink. I know that I am one of the few supporters but I love it. Some things work and some things don't but when they work I get great (and relevant) results and make very good money.

As a friend has said, I can feel the love.

I also don't want all my eggs in the google basket and try to get/buy traffic from anywhere that gets me traffic that converts. If I'm making money I can spend it to make more.


 5:31 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

>don't want all my eggs in the google basket

Yep completely agree lets face it after google ink is the only other search engine I try to optimise for


 9:28 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Great stuff Inktomi, just get a couple more supply deals.




 9:47 am on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

All Inks needs now is a few more scalps to make this impressive new option really viable for us and our clients.

Also, where do the 'custom summaries' come from?

Does this mean that Ink no longer takes 'on page' text and code to generate this?

How does one alter a 'custom summaries'.

Finally, it would have been great to have been given some more detailed information through resellers like PT for existing customers of PFI.


 12:58 pm on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Congratulation to Ink for the release of Web Search 9! It sounds incredible that Ink are prepared to grow to 3B documents in a few weeks and to revisit all of these documents every 10-14 days. I hope they succeed! Go get them Slurp!

I may be a little off topic, but I also have a curious question for anyone who knows the answer. Why do Inktomi do not have their own search site, in addition to their partnerships with MSN, HotBot and all the others? It seems to work fine for Google, (which provides to AOL, Yahoo, Netscape as well) and to FAST/AllTheWeb which provides to Lycos and to more European SE. Why doesn't Ink follow Google's and FAST's example in this case?


 3:27 pm on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

If nothing else, hopefully this will give some consistency to where my results appear across all of the Ink engines... will be interested to see how this turns out.


 3:58 pm on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Answered my own question, in that the 'summaries' come from 'algorithmic and editors' - helps if you actually read the information :).

Hope this doesn't now mean locking swords with editors who decide to apply their own artistic interpretation to SERPS. This will seriously de-value Ink if we start to loose positions on keyphrases due to an editor 'missing the point'.

Also, wonder how you challenge an incorrect or misleading summary? Sounds like a well intentioned feature which could be a can of worms for everyone involved.


 5:48 pm on Nov 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

INKT currently trading at $1.27.
Now I'm kicking myself for dumping 9,000 shares I bought at $.25 and dumped at $.29, after the Yahoo (Google) renewal announcement... LOL

Go INK! Your still my David, in a "over" GoogleIzed world!


 12:42 am on Nov 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting. Hey my link to Ink Pure Search doesn't work anymore, anybody have the new URL? I have to use HotBot instead, and I'd rather not.

Added: Nevermind, I found it. :)


 6:37 am on Nov 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Could you post that URL... mine isn't working?


 9:21 am on Nov 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

The URL is.

to have an idea about how inktomi indexes the .pdf or .doc files I suggest you to try a search as.

keyword1 + keyword2 + doc
keyword1 + keyword2 + pdf


 9:42 am on Nov 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Way to go Inktomi!
I agree, you just need to now get a couple more distribution deals!
Keep up the development/improvement speed.

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