homepage Welcome to WebmasterWorld Guest from 54.205.247.203
register, free tools, login, search, pro membership, help, library, announcements, recent posts, open posts,
Become a Pro Member
Home / Forums Index / Advertising / Paid Inclusion Engines and Topics
Forum Library, Charter, Moderators: Brett Tabke

Paid Inclusion Engines and Topics Forum

  posting off  
How often is Ink updating now?
born2drv




msg:16071
 2:57 am on Aug 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Are they monthly like Google? Or do they do parial crawls more frequently? Any preferences to crawl sites that have higher link popularity?

Just wondering when I should expect my site to be re-indexed again, I would like it to go a bit deeper :)

Thanks.

 

thejenn




msg:16072
 2:38 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

The paid inclusion urls are updated every 48 hours.

The entire index appears to be updated about once a month, though I remember just reading an interview with someone from Ink, and they stated that they were trying to get it down to every 18 days or so. (The article discussed a strategy of aiming for frequency of updates rather than sheer number of sites in the index....)

Inktomi




msg:16073
 5:58 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

That's correct, our paid inclusion sites are updated every 48 hours and the entire index is now updated about once every two weeks.

Inktomi.

PaulPaul




msg:16074
 7:27 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

What about non-paying inclusions??

Nick_W




msg:16075
 7:29 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

As inktomi said, once every couple of weeks...

Nick

c1bernaught




msg:16076
 7:31 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)


How often is a site in Ink spidered?

Grumpus




msg:16077
 7:34 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't think it really does a "crawl" in the way that Google does. I get 20 or so hits a day from it - every day. Sometimes it's the same pages, sometimes it's new and different ones. Some make it into the index, some don't.

Not sure how it finds the pages, either, as it's not soley DMOZ listings - though those tend to get crawled pretty regularly. There are other odd pages that I think it must find one on my site that links to it one day, then adds it to a queue, and then gets around to it several days later? I dunno.

G.

PaulPaul




msg:16078
 7:36 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

As inktomi said, once every couple of weeks...
Nick

Sorry, I misunderstood, I thought Ink meant that paid sites were spidered every 2 days and updated once every couple of weeks.

c1bernaught




msg:16079
 7:45 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)


Grumpus,

O.K., lets say your site has ... 3000 pages. Are you saying that INK will probably never crawl more than a few a day? That would mean that content is not king. A webmaster would then need to pack either the index page, or the INK included page, with all of his/her primary and secondary keywords. Hmmm...

Grumpus




msg:16080
 8:01 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't know that it "never" will - well, actually, I do - it won't. I've got over a million pages. What it means is that I don't know what determines which pages get crawled and which get put into the index. It's fairly obvious that at least one of their seeds is the DMOZ, but beyond that, I have no clue. Content doesn't mean much, either. I've got pages with little or no information on them (i.e. Such-and-so played "Webmaster #1" in "Hackers" or something where there just ISN'T info) that have made it into the index, and then there are pages that are popular, are indexed in several directories and search engines, and HAVE been crawled by INK but just don't appear. <shrug>

It's a mystery to me. I can say I've never seen it enter on a page and start crawling links it comes across like Googlebot does.

G.

Slud




msg:16081
 8:09 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

If Google "Dances" (ugh). Inktomi "turns over the compost heap".

chowcat




msg:16082
 11:00 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've been crawled everyday by Inktomi Slurp almost ever since I paid the $30 to ineedhits. I've also noticed that MSN/Inktomi is starting to throw out much more relevant and better SERPS than ever before. It seems in many respects similar to Googles algos, but without the page rank "bite".

c1bernaught




msg:16083
 4:04 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)


chowcat,

How many slurp hits are you seeing each day?

McMohan




msg:16084
 6:20 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Everyone here is talking about spidering non-paid sites. Are these the sites included in Inktomi's database before it went paid or the sites included in its db by inktomi itself? Coz, to my knowledge Inktomi doesn't have free inclusion option.

Mc

Macphisto




msg:16085
 8:24 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I never paid for inclusion and my site i also crawled everyday. I logged between 3 and 194 hits for the last 30 days. Average for 30 days is 61 sites per day. Overall 10% more hits than google since i started this agent log.

Matt

Grumpus




msg:16086
 10:51 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

McMohan - as with most of the spiders out there, pay or not, some pages from your site are likely to get into them for free - eventually. Links from sites that do pay can do it. For INK a DMOZ listing seems to help. The thing is that they don't tend to get "updated" very often. (Heck, I've got pages in AV from April). It does feel like INK is updating more frequently though, but it's only been about 3 weeks since my site's glitch was removed. (When I paid, my free pages vanished, they're back now thanks to Inktomi(guy)'s involvement here.) It's hard with only 3 weeks of information to work with to tell what's getting updated and what is not.

I guess I'll know more in a few more updates (or another month).

G.

Marcia




msg:16087
 10:55 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

McMohan, Inktomi does have free submit. Scroll down, it's there:

[hotbot.lycos.co.uk...]

chowcat




msg:16088
 12:50 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry for the delay "c1bernaught"...

about 15 hits from Inktomi Slurp on a daily basis. Not a huge amount, but more than any other spider.

c1bernaught




msg:16089
 4:53 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

chowcat,

Do your stats actually say "Slurp"? I don't see "Slurp" anywhere in my stats.

diddlydazz




msg:16090
 9:51 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am still waiting on URLs to be included, submitted them last week but they are still not in the index, just "queued for inktomi".

I was under the impression that inclusion takes 48hrs or so i was lead to believe.

Looks to me like Inktomi need to sort things out, or at least have a word with ineedhits, it would be nice if ineedhits answered the email that I sent.

Anyone had similar experiences ?

By the way the URLs are not dodgy in the slightest, no cloaking, no hidden text, in fact they are hardly optimised.

Dazz

rfgdxm1




msg:16091
 11:58 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Slurp/cat; slurp@inktomi.com; [inktomi.com...]

McMohan




msg:16092
 12:21 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Marcia,

Whether submitting in [hotbot.lycos.co.uk...] gets ones' site indexed in only the .uk Search Engine or in the main db? Thnx for the info though, quite valuable.

c1bernaught




msg:16093
 2:49 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

One of the biggest issues I've had with INK is the "48 Hour" update. In my experience the update takes at least 72 hours and sometimes more. It has not been uncommon for it to take 96 hours to see changes made I've made to my site. However, they get right on it if you send them an email.

przero2




msg:16094
 6:32 am on Sep 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

When is the update awaited?. We had a site completely (almost except for 0.01% of the pages) removed almost 10 days ago. Since then Slurp crawled this site and hoping to see a return of this site in the core Inktomi DB (I mean most pages and not just 0.01% of pages)

gsmitchell




msg:16095
 4:26 pm on Sep 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dazz,
I too have had the same problem with ineedhits when it comes to them answering their emails. As for Inktomi, I know that ineedhits was having issues updating and even if your site was showing still queued after 48hrs your site was submitted. If you do a search for your site I bet you it is there. Since submitting my url's last month I notice that the refreshes have been taking 48-72 hours

Spearmaster




msg:16096
 6:46 am on Sep 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Inktomi -

I have PositionTech for indexing. I get "Disallowed by robots.txt" - problem is, I don't have a robots.txt (and when I did it used to work just fine, since it's the Webmaster World list).

Is it possible that Slurp! is being blocked by .htaccess? And if so, are you using a new agent which identifies itself as something other than Slurp!? None of the IPs I have blocked appear to match or even come close to yours.

Global Options:
 top home search open messages active posts  
 

Home / Forums Index / Advertising / Paid Inclusion Engines and Topics
rss feed

All trademarks and copyrights held by respective owners. Member comments are owned by the poster.
Home ¦ Free Tools ¦ Terms of Service ¦ Privacy Policy ¦ Report Problem ¦ About ¦ Library ¦ Newsletter
WebmasterWorld is a Developer Shed Community owned by Jim Boykin.
© Webmaster World 1996-2014 all rights reserved