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creep

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Msg#: 1663 posted 3:52 pm on Aug 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

For 40-50 of the terms i target 1-15 or so are just irrelevant spam laden pages and cgi redirects that take you to warez sites and complete garbage that has nothing to do with the queries. Me and those competing for these terms have large relevant content rich sites that have great link pop from all over the web. But pages that i wish i could post here are just key word repitition and cloaking..If this update sticks then i think it will be the last nail in the coffin of INK..I've never cloaked anything ever but i guess I'm going to have to learn the fine art of hardcore spamming to get any INK traffic back.

 

kris

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Msg#: 1663 posted 3:59 pm on Aug 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I couldn't agree more! I have never seen so much spam in my life! I am seeing a lot of redirects to ebay and off the wall affiliate search engines. Here is what Inktomi has to say about the update:

We're extremely proud of it for a number of reasons. It's the largest, most relevant and freshest by far

Are they seeing what we are seeing?

rogerd

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Msg#: 1663 posted 4:05 pm on Aug 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have a high quality, content-rich site that has doubled its MSN traffic. There must be SOME good in this update!

creep

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 1:30 am on Aug 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Rogerd...
I have 22 large content rich sites with links all over the web and they have all tanked...showing like #35 for my main queries. I think yours is the exception...Sites above mine are mainly affiliate links and redirects to stuff thats totally unrelated. Any one getting a handle on how the algo has changed? It's not link pop and not seeing a matter of keyword density or page title relevance..Cant make heads or tales of it yet...any ideas? My sites are mostly in yahoo or DMOZ as well...or does this not matter anymore? Looking at the google page rank of the sites outranking mine they are almost all PR0

Inktomi

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Msg#: 1663 posted 4:12 pm on Aug 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi folks,

If you see specific incidents of spam in our new index, please send an email to reportspam@inktomi.com. Every time we release a new cluster there are bound to be a few bad apples that get through, but with your help we'll weed them out.

Thanks,
Inktomi.

korkus2000

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Msg#: 1663 posted 4:17 pm on Aug 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Inktomi can we look for frequent updates to the core. That would give all of us a chance to work for better rankings and not feel slighted for so long. I think everyone in this thread feels your database update is once a lifetime thing and these new rankings are for a long time.

Inktomi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 5:40 pm on Aug 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry for not having posted in the last 24 hours or so. I was enjoying Barry Bonds' #600 in person ;)

korkus2000, I'm glad you asked about refresh rates :)

You can look for frequent updates. Along with this release comes a massive infrastructure upgrade that allows us to constantly refresh the index. You'll see the index completely turn over every 14-21 days or so.

Inktomi.

korkus2000

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Msg#: 1663 posted 9:58 pm on Aug 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

You can look for frequent updates. Along with this release comes a massive infrastructure upgrade that allows us to constantly refresh the index. You'll see the index completely turn over every 14-21 days or so.

Unbelievable. If you guys start that I think you'll see a lot of this negativity change. It will allow us as webmasters to leverage your database for traffic that might get good ROI.

przero2



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 3:13 am on Aug 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Inktomi, if the refresh turnaround is true, WOW .. what a change!. I really gave up on anything other than Google .. Now my opionion is on the mend albeit it is too early to say;)

Jack_Straw

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 3:54 am on Aug 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

But, Inktomi...

If you turn it around very fast "for free" listings, what incentive will be left to encourage paid listings?

Fresh content and quick turn around sound great. But, something is not credible here. In light of the lengths you have taken in the recent past to "encourage" paid submissions, what can we expect from you now? We all know revenue stream is an issue for Inktomi (as it is for all of us).

If you turn index too swiftly for free listings, what will be the value proposition of the paid listings?

Not that I am discouraging this. I think it is good for the industry and for Inktomi to be a competitive source of information again.

But, I'm sure you are aware of the contradiction you are implying. Your model is not making sense. There must be more to the story that you are not telling us? Can you give us the whole picture?

Are you effectively dropping your dependency on PFI (I prefer PFF - pay for fresh) program in favor of deriving your revenue entirely from royalties from the likes of MSN, Yahoo and others?

Or, are you gambling that the difference between 2 days and 14-21 days will be enough to encourage significant revenue from your PFF program?

I have to believe you are moving to a model that makes sense? Please, demonstrate that you are not playing games and show your hand.

dazz

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 7:58 am on Aug 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Lets not start calling the Inktomi Update a 'Dance', its sooooo cheesey.

NewAtThis

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 7:58 pm on Nov 6, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Inktomi,

"Every time we release a new cluster there are bound to be a few bad apples that get through ... "

Could it be that now a lot of good apples don't get trough. I observed that one of my sites (see profile), has been burrowed but is still in the database (origindomainsuffix:...). Traffic went down from 500/day to 0/day.

The Web site doesn't use any type of spamming technologies. I have direct evidences that this site suffers some type of penality independent of the free submission penalty. Can you comment this and remove the penality?

Thank you for your attention.

mayor

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 1:29 am on Nov 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Inktomi >> release a new cluster

Mind telling me what that means in layman's terms?

GlynMusica

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 1663 posted 4:27 pm on Nov 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think it's a nutty cereal bar :)

WEll it is friday.

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