| 5:19 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Yes, there's been an update and it rocks. I'm just going through checking now.
| 5:27 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Yes, this looks like a rock of an update if it sticks!. It seems several quality sites are included in the core Ink DB (free not paid submissions).
| 5:29 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Glad to see you noticed our major cluster release. We're extremely proud of it for a number of reasons. It's the largest, most relevant and freshest by far.
Let us know what you think!
| 5:36 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>It's the largest
Do you have numbers for us?
| 5:43 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
> Do you have numbers for us?
We're now searching more than 2 billion web pages.
| 5:48 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Is that what happened?
I thought it was a gift from the SE gods!
From time to time I use MSN for searching and was treated to a nice surprise this morning! Rock on!
| 5:53 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
It'll be interesting to see how the BOW factors into the new update.
| 6:00 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Not bad. You visited ATW and Google as of lately? ;)
| 6:04 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Inktomi, this update rocks!. I agree with you on your statement "It's the largest, most relevant and freshest by far" that I have seen of Ink. Keep up the good work!
| 6:12 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
As before, the duplicates filter seems to be really poor. Results for the name of my website are about 200, about half of which are DMOZ duplicates.
Aside from that, congrats to Inktomi on 2 Billion. That makes Google, Fast, OpenFind, and Inktomi, although they all count differently.
| 6:24 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Curious how they are counting up to the 2 billion, but sounds good to me that they actually want to expand and add to their stock of pages to search.
Now, if they could just figure out a better algorithm to use than the PFI model...they might be a search engine again. :)
| 6:30 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Inktomi, Good to see you here..Is this going to turn into a regular update? I think rhythm is an important factor that sets "one" SE apart from another. But yeah looks good so far keep it up!
| 6:34 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
"Now, if they could just figure out a better algorithm to use than the PFI model...they might be a search engine again."
I love the PFI...we have clients that come in brand new...other clients that need a little love..I can say ma'am no worries in 48 hours I will have very good ranking in MSN, and I can, I hate telling people oh well Google just finished spidering your gunna have to wait a couple months before you see anything there. You feel me?
| 6:47 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Excellent. I already have new referers from msn.
| 6:58 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I agree the PFI is nice. I think the price is a bit high now though. With the loss of AOL, Ink should consider lowering the price per page. Same price for 1/2 the traffic?
If they added a major partner like Yahoo, I am sure we would see a raise in price ...
| 7:26 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Not too much difference on my sites - but then I've paid for them all. I'm delighted to say, most rankings have stuck or even gone up a bit. Is external link-pop coming into play a little more?
| 7:55 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Looks like most of our pages got buried or booted. How can you tell what you have in Ink's database?
| 8:25 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
| 8:27 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Inktomi has been deep crawling our site -- not the one in my profile, but the one that has 104,000 files -- for several months.
Ho-hum. "A very polite crawler, so whatever," I figured, "let it do its thing."
Today the referrals for this deep stuff came through.
Prior to today, Google referrals had search.msn.com beat by 4-to-1.
Beginning today, search.msn.com has Google beat by 2-to-1. Nothing happened at Google; they're as steady as a rock.
That's an 8-fold improvement. Wow. Now all they need is a cute logo.
There must be something about Ink's algo that helps out my names (each file is for a name of a single person, group, or corporation). Don't touch a thing, Inktomi!
| 8:34 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I find it wonderfully appropriate that the person who started this thread's nick is "przero2".
Though if Inktomi keeps it up, perhaps we'll have people sign up as "we_love_inktomi" ?
Doubtful, very, very doubtful.
It is nice though to see they finally figured out that they can't just include the pages of people willing to pay $$$ to have a good searchable database.
The next step, of course, is regular updates...and then who knows? Perhaps their stock price will stop plummeting through the floor :)
| 8:56 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
You know, I paid for submission a couple of weeks ago. I think it was the day before they announced that AOL dropped them. Yeah, lucky me.
I've seen I think 3 hits that I can attribute to Inktomi. Yes, 3. On a daily basis we see anywhere from 75-150 from Google. (We are a PR 5 site.)
Frankly, I think I should have recieved some kind of partial credit for my submission fee. I paid to be included in the search engines listed. AOL is a pretty big one to just pull out and not issue any kind of refund to people who submitted.
Can you tell I'm a little bitter about this? Well, if not, I am. :-)
Yes, I know its only $40 - but its the principal that matters. I could have bought traffic elsewhere with that money and at least got something out of it.
| 9:02 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I used to be anti-inktomi....this update really impressed me though, keep it up and I'll actually like you guys.
| 9:20 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Does any one know how MSN compares to Google in terms of number of searches?. On one of the sites, I see MSN referrals starting to rival those of Google??. Keeps me amused and puzzled and definitely happy that MSN/Inktomi decided to make their results inclusive than exclusive to paid sites!. A good update overall. Way to go, Inktomi!. You definitely brought cheers to some WebmasterWorld hangouts!
| 9:21 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Bteeter...seems to me that if you get 75-100 out of google and only 3 out of MSN I would believe right? I would think that something aint right on your Optimization if thats the case? maybe Im wrong..
| 9:50 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
|if you get 75-100 out of google and only 3 out of I would think MSN that something aint right on your Optimization? maybe Im wrong.. |
Not entirely true, for a competitive keyword I am 8th on Google and that brings in 1000 visitors a day. I am listed 7th in Inktomi, but once you go past all the paid overture and looksmart listings I am only about 35th and so about 10 visitors!
If it is non competitive keyphrases then I am more inclined to agree.
| 10:04 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I see little change so far, over several sites. Traffic looks like it's dropped a bit on paid PFI pages, but it's early to say.
Unpaid pages on some newer sites still aren't to be found. Perhaps they suffer a penalty for being on a PFI monetarized site or perhaps Inktomi never found them despite having some external links and despite there being good internal links from the paid pages. I guess it stands to reason that Inktomi may not wish to find/index the unpaid pages on a monetarized site as many others have previously suggested in these forums, and as my own experience over the past six or eight months suggests.
Inktomi, please tell us how to be sure new pages and/or new sites get indexed by the free-inclusion spider now that there is no add-url portal.
| 10:22 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
mayor, in a thread in this forum are two links to portals that still do take free submission. And historically, sites can be found through links from sites already in the database.
| 10:26 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
The thing that bothers me is the announcement to Index Connect partners from Vish Makhijani last night.
Paraphrased (Of Course) :)
Because the new Inktomi index is so large, paid inclusion content will comprise a smaller percentage of the pages, and may have a short-term impact on traffic delivered to paid inclusion subscribers.
My question is, First Inktomi cuts off "free" inclusion, so we all migrate to either a URL paid inclusion, or the Index Connect program. Now Inktomi is telling us our traffic is going to decrease because the majority of the new index is from "non paid" URL's???
And how will this impact be short term?
Then he goes on to say:
The new search platform's increased capacity will allow Inktomi to accept more paid content for inclusion. (Like they had to turn down paid submission because of system constraints? :)
I'm a bit miffed by the actual definition of the announcement.
Can you clear the confusion?
| 10:34 pm on Aug 8, 2002 (gmt 0)|
MSN has always only listed my index page, but no others. And it has always ranked with Google for hits on that page, but now it looks like all of my pages are finally listed - and producing - Yeehaa!
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