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Any one else noticed a change in the INK algo?
Or have I just been penalised?

 3:56 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

My rankings on MSN have gone from top 3 to nowhere to be seen as of today. The pages are still in the database as they are PFI and they appear on pure search.

Anyone else seem a major change in the rankings?



 4:07 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Smiley, has the position changed much with Pure Search, and has there been a change with the number of Looksmart listings prior to the Inktomi listings?


 4:14 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Marcia - to anwser your questions:

>>has the position changed much with Pure Search
Yes the listings are no where to be seen on Pure Search.

>>and has there been a change with the number of Looksmart listings prior to the Inktomi listings?
No, the looksmart lisings remain the same.

Even for some non competitive terms my listings have vanished, but the URL's are still in the database.


 4:23 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've had 3 sites hit bigtime over the last week.

we have just started the re-think on ink



 4:30 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)


What do you think it is? My site in question has plenty of doorways which used to work fine...

Also is it just a coincidence that PT has just stopped allowing a change of URL in the accounts.


 4:37 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

at present we still have a some doorways ranking well, but it seems to be hitting our hallway pages which link the doorway pages. both the hall and door pages and just buried.

when I say doorway page it's really just a heavily optimised infomation page about the product which would normally be created dynamically.



 9:18 pm on Jul 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

If a ranking site suddenly no longer shows in P/T Search it has been trashed by INK. Attempts to bring it back from the grave will be absolutely futile.

Cloaking, page redirects instead of page replaces that do not permit browser backbuttons to function properly, duplicate pages - the usual spam site indicators, can buy your site a ticket to Neverland.


 3:49 pm on Jul 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

<If a ranking site suddenly no longer shows in P/T Search

The Pure Search function has been not functioning properly lately. I have been using msn to see where my pages are ranking.



 7:27 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am getting extremely worried guys..
I purchased approximately $1,000's of dollars worth of Inktomi URL's 6 months ago and had been doing awesome for those months. Hadn't lost a 1-10 position in any of the keywords I worked hard to get there until "Black Sunday" occured.... On Sunday, July 14th, I lost major page rank on all my positions in the Inktomi partners. I know there has to be some of you out there, that this has happened too.. Please post if you have noticed this happen to you... The only thing I can think of, besides an error on inktomi's side would be a major change in the Algo.. I swicthed out a few URL's a few days prior, but to lower "all" my page ranks for "all" my URL's seems rediculous. They are still in the index, but ranked much much lower. The bummer is that index looks less relavent and full of spam since Sunday, July 14th.. Anyway, would really look foward to anyone out there that this happened to..

Thank You Kindly,


 8:16 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Mangs,

I had the same happen on the 12th and DaveN also reported problems on 3 domains.

The crazy thing is that non-relevant pages are still in. From what I can see itís more of a cleaning up than a major change. Iíve given up worrying about it and decided if I use PT on INK again I will spread it a few URLís over many domains to avoid such a loss happening again. Iím sure this strategy is what most of the more experienced members of this forum would do anyway!


 8:32 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks SMILEY For replying :)

"From what I can see itís more of a cleaning up than a major change."

Do you think after Inktomi has cleaned up that pages might go back the way they were? I have noticed in the past that only "some" of my pages lowered in page rank would return 3 days later..
I am more like praying at this point. I think alot of people don't realize what may happen on August 1st. If you guys don't... AOL will no longer use Inktomi, which therefore means we/you can expect a drop in traffic from AOL and revenue in general..



 8:55 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

All my pages remain in neverland - I'm no expert but I don't think they will ever return to their former glory.



 9:05 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh well it's nice to know I'm not alone I noticed a big drop in Ink traffic last month.

Even taking into account the pages I've now let lapse my traffic from Ink has dropped by about 30%. I think ink has changed it's algo, but to be honest I'm not that worried anymore, it's on it's way out and I just wish it would hurry up


 9:05 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

10 urls, PFI and BOW. PFI urls still listed but buried. BOW gone.

Can't make any sense of what caused it. One was a doorway, but it was PFI ( allowed under their PFI TOS.)

The worse loss was a BOW site whose site changed. The old site had a "this site has moved please click here" button placed at the top of each page.

Overall I think:
1) I will ditch PFI.
2) It is a spam filter that has gone wrong or
3) A batch of human reviewed penalties applied in bulk.


 9:28 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Perhaps it's a new spam filter looking for pages with no incoming links and applying this penalty to the whole domain?

The domain I had buried was PFI and had a couple of duplicate pages and doorways - more by mistake than mindless spamming. But another domain only with PFI on normal pages is still there - for the time being anyway!


 9:52 am on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I thought all of my listings were lowered in page rank, but it turns out that a few pages from this same domain are still ranked high. I have to imagine this entire problem is with the Inktomi's indexing or cleanup.



 2:04 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed only a small variation to singular and plural terms.


 2:08 pm on Jul 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes, i was playing around and seen some ups and downs, though one of my competitors sites, which was always loitering around the base of the first 15 listings, has climbed significatly, and seems to be in some cases INKs first choice, which sets ink far away from the rest of the engines out there.


 10:33 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

It appears that my sites, about 15 of them, have been penalized as well. What's next, do I just start over again?
Has anyone called PT or INK to ask why you have been penalized?

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